By virtue of the asinine costs of their items.
= 3000
= 3200
= 3733
= 3500
= 3500
= 3100
= 3500 (granted some ADCs like to use this item)
Meanwhile over on the adc side...
= 3400
= 2600
= 2600
= 2600
/ 
= 2600
Bloodthirster and mercurial are the only insane costing ADC items alongside infinity edge
vgamedude19 votesDidnt realize how ridiculous cost disparity was until its put like this so easy to see.
HarrowR2 votesDon't be fooled so easily,like someone already mentioned,you dont build all of those costly items on a Bruiser,you usually build one or two and go tank,in the same manner i could present ADC items as being very expensive, BT 3700 BOTRK 3400 IE 3400 ER 3400 Triforce 3733 Merc 3600 etc,but you usually only build two of those items,i didnt see a lot of Bruisers going around with the OPs build
Disembark1 votesAlso Bruisers spike way harder at 1 item.
According to Irelia Carries U, Challenger Irelia 1 trick, he said that he can EASILY 1 v1 the shit out of an ADC if he has 1 item and they have 2-3.
It’s because bruisers/fighters have higher base attack speed, armour, and AD. As well as the fact that they’re generally higher level.
Yeah, they’re weak rn but comparing item side by side in cost is retarded.
Troll for Trump1 votesand I bet there's an ADC onetrick who claims he can 1v1 a 2 item Irelia as a 2 item ADC
Disembark1 votesSo I state a bunch of facts, and your counterpoint is that “there exist some adc that believes X, in my hypothetical world”.
Foh
GelsominoKiller1 votesTBH I would like to build them all... But I'm forced into cheaper tank items
titanic cleaver and sterak.. <3
Kaìju16 votesTo my understanding they can be. I remember playing against fed Yi or Irelia and if they got on top of me as Ashe I was pure dead and we lost the fight. I think bruiser can absolutely be a substitute carry, the issue is just that many of them prefer burst to DPS and DPS is usually what defines a carry class because their damage output is constant and not gated. I've seen Yi, Darius, Shyvana, Irelia, Vi, Olaf, and many others be a teams hard carry. The issue is making them do damage without putting them into a "too tough to kill before they kill you" state because again, if they just blow through your team before they can die it becomes the same issue as an ADC that can't be reached. They annihilate the enemy without any real way to stop them.
Wimbledofy9 votesyi isn't a bruiser
Thefrostyviking3 votesHe is, if we translate the current divers+skirmishers+juggernauts as brusiers, this is to my understanding how it works.
Faceroll Tactics6 votesGame has him as an assassin, but he is the definition of ADC.
He just isn't ranged.
Thefrostyviking5 votesClient uses some very outdated classification, his current one is a skirmisher which is basically the duelists, jax, fiora, Riven, yasuo and yi.
Although skimisher is supposedly a subclass of assassins but.......i dunno if i really want to call Jax or Fiora assassins.
And Yi is more like the lovechild between fizz and some AA/onhit reliant marksman.
Not exactly usual.
Iota Theta5 votesClient uses some very outdated classification, his current one is a skirmisher which is basically the duelists, jax, fiora, Riven, yasuo and yi.
Although skimisher is supposedly a subclass of assassins but.......i dunno if i really want to call Jax or Fiora assassins.
And Yi is more like the lovechild between fizz and some AA/onhit reliant marksman.
Not exactly usual.
It’s technically a subclass of Slayers. Assassin is the opposite subclass. I believe one is slippery burst and the other is sustained damage with quick defensive tools (windwall, riposte, counterstrike, etc.)
Thefrostyviking1 voteseh-----ops-
Got em mixed up.
But Jax for one get's really beefy with his ultimate+ usual builds.
The other do fit the mold quite well though.
Iota Theta1 voteseh-----ops-
Got em mixed up.
But Jax for one get's really beefy with his ultimate+ usual builds.
The other do fit the mold quite well though.
Easy mistake to make, as Assassin was the class name of old.
Jax is odd, and I think part of it came from his dps side with all his attack speed and on-hits
GayFluffyUnicorn8 voteshe is basically a melee marksmen not a bruiser.
Thefrostyviking1 votesDoesn't build or play like one though .
Wimbledofy1 votesthat's exactly what he builds like. Have you never seen a yi build?
Thefrostyviking1 votesCommonly Yi goes bloodrazor, Botrk then guinso or black cleaver then full on tank items after that.
How is that a marksman build in any way? O_O
At least, that's what the top korean yi players build on him.
BobaFlautist1 votesHe used to build full ad crit, and that's still considered the "proper" build for him, despite being weaker than his on-hit build for a very long time.
Kinda like how 
is still thought of as a full ad one-shot assassin even though he's had at least as much success (frequently far more) as a durable bruiser.
Thefrostyviking1 votesI know full well that he used to do it, i played it as well.
But times have changed, a lot.
And in my average elo crit yi is considered pretty boosted, you can sneak in a phantom dancer but rarely much more than that unless snowballing hard.
My impression of Rengar is that he switches his build around to suit his needs depending on what he faces O-o
Feathermane1 votesyi isn't a bruiser
Builds a mix of tank and damage items. What is he, a fedora?
Red Wreckage4 votesif you dont burst ADC playing something like Yi, you get insta bursted yourself.
Kaìju6 votesTell that to Ashe.
Thefrostyviking5 votesFunny how people on the boards always go around calling 
OP constantly.
I consider myself a pretty decent marksman but i struggle like hell each time i play her x)
Wonder why i still like the champ so much......i mean, aside from the fancy bow and giant arrows.
One does not know happiness playing Ashe until landing a cross the map ultimate on some important enemy carry resulting in their death while you yourself keep farming botlane.
True satisfaction.
Kaìju3 votesFunny how nobody ever looks at her numbers are realizes she has some.of the lowest average damage per game because she's a utility carry and people are stupid and say "ALL ADCS SHOULD BE NERFED INTO THE DIRT"
Thefrostyviking5 votesIn a nutshell yeah, and i had a Yorick flame me last night, we were both kinda fed and he started a 2v1 against me and a Jayce he had spanked in lane, i just stand there attacking while he goes after Jayce and he actually says "Ashe OP" when he dies before actually getting anything done after i ulted and stood still shooting at him for 6-10 seconds x)
I do understand that playing against Twitch, Vayne , Trist is a massive pain for melee mains or toplane mains, i do play those roles as well so i really do know.
But people calling Ashe OP just kinda seems ridiculous anyhow, and calling for class wide nerfs because one or two champions are going outa control is also not the right way to do things.
Kaìju1 votesYeah. You should check out r/LeagueofLegends when Reddit isn't down, much less of a hate fulled echo chamber.
Thefrostyviking1 votesDunno, people there have gone and flooded boards with their complains from time to time as well, assassin mains, "brusier" mains and Rengar mains have all done it in time that i can remember, although only rengar mains took over the frontpage.
Kaìju1 votesYeah but at least from time to time isn't every day here.
Thefrostyviking1 votesPoint taken.
Critmaster Garen13 votesi think they should be both equally strong as carries, after zeal items had a cost increase to ~3000 gold.
we also need to take precautions that adc dont just switch to lethality this time to cheese themsleves another strong midgame power spike.
this would also increase game time and reduce snowball, since the biggest snowball comes out of bot lane these days thanks to turret first blood and the weaker bot lane turret.
Lord of Math1 votes[{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=foAkwT1E,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2017-12-06T03:12:05.616+0000)
i think they should be both equally strong as carries, after zeal items had a cost increase to ~3000 gold.
we also need to take precautions that adc dont just switch to lethality this time to cheese themsleves another strong midgame power spike.
this would also increase game time and reduce snowball, since the biggest snowball comes out of bot lane these days thanks to turret first blood and the weaker bot lane turret.
I thin that 3000 would be far to severe of a price increase. Up the cost by 200 per zeal item. 100 for zeal and 100 to the combine cost. Combine that with a rework to crit items.
Yaskamasandwich10 votesFun fact: fighters, bruisers, divers, etc. actually had a stronger late game than Marksmen. Back in the very days of old the Nasus, Jax, Irelia, Warwick, Singed, and many more, were the larger and stronger threats than Marksmen. When late game hit and the enemy team had these types of champions and your team did not, it was a basic auto win for them.
What they imposed late game was an impossible decision. You had to blow all your cool downs on that champion and lose because you had no CC or abilities to stop their Marksmen. Or you blow all your cool downs and CC on the Marksmen and lose because you had no way to stop the bruiser, fighter, diver, etc. Most Marksmen, even Vayne with 6 items, could not handle a 6 item Irelia alone for example. She would go "honey badger don't give a shit!" Chase her down and break her neck. The game was based around Marksmen not being able to solo many classes, even a lot of Vanguards but that was all thanks to 6th item broken Thornmail when it did more damage to the Marksmen. It was the damage the Marksmen added with the team, like with the mage, and safe distance that brought tanky melee champions down, teamwork and such. Which is why back then they needed peel.
However Riot didn't want top lane carries anymore so they nerfed them, placed CDR on every item so blowing abilities doesn't hurt, and buffed Marksmen. Top lane and jungle carries got a triple nerf which removed them from the game. The only jungle carry there is is Yi and even then he has to be very careful late game or else he will instantly explode. Though his split pushing is nasty and erases towers fast. Which is what all melee carries have to do late game, split push or die.
The Yetii Rider10 votesYes, because items that give you both durability and damage are entirely comparable to items that give you just glass cannon.
Skirmishers are insane OP late game carries alongside marksmen. If you've seen a good 
, they will fuck your entire team up.
Juggernauts and divers specialize more in large burst damage but they need to be able to stick onto their targets in order to do so, so they need durability as well.
Danjeng7 votesI second this. Even when an ADC is fed, they still require peel. A fed bruiser is self sufficient and can even take on multiple enemies at once.
Yi will fuck up any lone ADC on the block.
Bronze 6 Yasuo6 votesRiot: nah let's reduce Infinity edge's cost by another 200 gold and remove the speed buff from black cleaver and make black cleaver 150 gold more.
Spank the Fox3 votesActually Riot: let’s revert BC nerfs and give it 30% armor shred again, lul
Thefrostyviking6 votesThe return of Lucian seems pretty imminent, while MF solidifies her hold over the botlane.
Kaìju2 votesThe issue with MF is her passive. Ever since her rework it's only caused issues of her just one shotting people or more realistically just nuking them hard. Her passive rewards single hits over DPS and it shows in that it's almost like a mini Veigar R when she builds lethality. From my memory, she's never in the middle anymore. She's either too strong and just half shotting people or she's terrible and there's no reason to play her. She doesn't have a real niche besides "I nuke you now" and that's not an identity I think any marksman besides Jhin should have, since he's gated heavily by attack speed and reloads. She needs a new passive or at least a heavy change to her current one.
Thefrostyviking1 votesHer identity is that of the readhead lady making ......misleading comments about various things that also shoots a massive channeled AOE that does a ton of damage.
She also does bouncing nuke bullets and...stuff.
She has been viable for the most part whenever big disruptive tanks aren't.
The Team5 votesOne thing that everybody seems to forget to mention is how toplaners will usually be 2 or even 3 levels ahead of adcs for most of the early/mid game. That like 1000-1200+ gold in stats.
Tychusfindlay91822 votesOne thing that everybody seems to forget to mention is how toplaners will usually be 2 or even 3 levels ahead of adcs for most of the early/mid game. That like 1000-1200+ gold in stats.
Who gives a shit? Late game bruiser builds are just as if not a little bit more expensive than ADC builds, but nowhere near as good
Disembark7 votesOk but what bruiser builds 3+ of those items? Hardly any even build more than 1. Then they just go tank items (and this is hardly new).
These arguments are getting more and more ridiculous.
It’s like me saying: ADC builds are so expensive, look:
BorK: 3500 IE: 3400 ER: 3400 BT: 3800 DD: 3500 MERC: 3600 TriForce: 3733
Even though few ADCs buy the majority of those items.
They generally buy ONE of the expensive items and then switch to cheaper ones (until 3 items, when they switch back to expensive).
Just like bruisers - they buy generally BC into full tank, maybe tri into tank.
Durzaka3 votesThis guy gets it.
Bruisers have expensive items. But they only buy ONE of them (sometimes 2 depending on the champion and items).
On top of that, a Bruiser with 1 completed item is MUCH more of a threat than an ADC with a completed one. Thats something people don't seem to understand. Bruisers should be spiking much easier than ADCs, but ADCs secondary items are so cheap, they are spiking in the mid game instead of in the end game like they should be.
GayFluffyUnicorn8 votesThis guy doesn't get anything at all.
3733 Trinity+3500 Hydra+3200 Steraks. Common build on jax, irelia, camille. Now tell me these champs only build one item. Want more examples? Kled: BC, T.Hydra also steraks/GA/Tank it then depends. Still for him 2800+3500+1100 boots=7400 ADC: 3,4 IE+2,6 Shiv+1,1boots=7100 Now you will say: BUT ONLY THREE HUNDRED GOLD HURRDURR Well apart from the fact that adcs have higher gold influx due to being safer for being ranged, getting pretty much guaranteed two kills in a won fight, support amplyifying them even further.
The Minion hunt1 votesyeah but ad bruiser flat out have the best itemization of all other classes.
Yets42406 votesNo, that would clearly, and by an indisputably massive margin be the ADC itemization that is strictly superior to everything else in terms of gold efficiency, even before you factor in that their stats scale quinticly with one another, with everything providing exponentially increasing returns to scale.
Sett a trap1 votesBy virtue of the asinine costs of their items.
Meanwhile over on the adc side...
Bloodthirster and mercurial are the only insane costing ADC items alongside infinity edge
OP doesn't even quote 3700 Blood Thirstier or 3600G Guinsoo RageBlade.
Talk about FoxNews style reporting.
Half of the ADCS require Rageblade and/or a BT.
Lastly, how is it far that Darius's power spike go from 100 to 100 the entire game? What is the point of having an ADC? Why don't we just go hook support and Darius bot lane then?
GayFluffyUnicorn10 votes2 adcs building rageblade=half the adcs. Talking about CNN style reporting? XD Seriously im not into your US politics but can you guys stick that shit up your arse when talking about league? It has no place here.
Not a single adc requires BT,you can buy it but don't need to. Pretty much never.
That's the goal, making adcs not mandatory botlane-
Sett a trap1 votes2 adcs building rageblade=half the adcs. Talking about CNN style reporting? XD Seriously im not into your US politics but can you guys stick that shit up your arse when talking about league? It has no place here.
Not a single adc requires BT,you can buy it but don't need to. Pretty much never.
That's the goal, making adcs not mandatory botlane-
Draven doesn't get BT?
LOL