This is just dumb

Akali is SO HOT··6 votes·434 views

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Rakan had Ivern's shield and his own shield and still died. If you put almost any other champion in that situation Rakan would've actually had a chance to play the game there, but because her ult is targeted there's nothing he can do. Once she presses the R button there is no stopping it. You can flash, dash, heal, etc. all you want, but you are going to get hit by that massive nuke and there is nothing you can do about it. The whole reason Syndra is picked so much in competitive play to begin with is because the monstrosity that is her ult is so stupidly reliable at killing priority targets. When an Assassin or other champions are too reliable at killing priority targets they get nerfed immediately, but, for some reason, Syndra gets to be the special snowflake.

Aside from a few, no other champion has guaranteed damage like this. Put any Assassin in that situation and Rakan could've survived because he would've been able to dash away and outplay the damage, but because it was Syndra there was nothing he could do. There is nothing fun or interactive about getting all of your health taken away by a targeted ability that cannot miss while being out of your opponent's reach.

It doesn't matter how fed Syndra was in that clip. Just the fact that she can do that much targeted damage from a safe range while barely interacting with her opponent at all is very bad design. She basically has pre rework nidalee spears only they're targeted. It's really dumb and not fun to play against.

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Shadòw5 votes

4 spheres on the field (3 of that from the beginning which they did clearly see), and Rakan, a lvl 8 sup without any HP or MR, getting hit by Q, E, W, and a Full 4 sphere Ult of a LvL 11 Burst Mage which just got her Ult lvl up.

What did you expect to happen?

did you think that would have went any different vs a full combo of Veigar, Annie or any other Burst Mage?

You are talking about no interaction and Rakan not able to play the game while they did clearly see that Syndra had placed down 3 spheres and not respecting that.

Akali is SO HOT4 votes

Veigar and Annie are both have their problems with targeted burst, but this thread is about Syndra. Those two champions don't excuse Syndra's ultimate. Of course Syndra is going to be doing a ton of damage to a support who is a lower level than her and squishy. That's not the problem. The problem is how she does it. There is no way to avoid her burst. There is no counterplay anywhere in that clip when she kills Rakan. Being completely zoned from the fight because Syndra can press R on you for an automatic kill is not a form of counterplay. She can do all the damage she wants I don't care. I do care about being able to do something about the damage she does have which you currently do not when playing against her.

Shadòw4 votes

like i said, the counterplay to a big part of her burst is actually being careful around her when she has her spheres placed down. i still wonder to this day why people have so much problems about that. maybe they should put a fat ! over each sphere in the next patch.

especially as an underleveled squishy you should stay away from her with 3 spheres placed down. there was no need to walk up there as Rakan.

when she wants to keep up her spheres, she needs a lot of mana, so she also can't do that forever.

in that situation Bjerg was at 40% mana already, he couldn't keep up his 3 spheres forever. with Sven flanking from behind, they should have just given up that tower.

but Hyl still stepped up and was punished for it, easy as that.

Rewt6 votes

we have seen clips of adc's in LCS dodging syndras full combo and the syndra goes "eh fuck it" and presses R deleting the ADC without counterplay. Syndra Seems Fine to me.

Shadòw3 votes

because ADCs aren't even supposed to be in her Ult Range when she has it up. and the full Ult oneshots only happen too when she is ahead and got enough spheres down in the fight.

again the same thing would have happened if an ADC goes into the Range of Annie or of any Assassin.

Penns4 votes

"When the only realistic answer to "how could I have prevented dying to that assassin" is "you should have been somewhere else" then that is a really frustrating situation to be in".

"Adcs arent even supposed to be in range of her ranged ult" Thanks Ghostcrawler lel

Shadòw2 votes

yup, and that's how this delayed burst BS began and Assassins being helpless against that Shield spam because people now can make themself a coffe before reacting. So imo even that statement is a huge failure. imo being in another position is legit counterplay and should actually always be considered first. your position is your basis on what you can and cannot do in a situation, it always has to be top priority. but i can understand why they would change assassins like this as it really could be frustrating to have nothing to do at all when you are out of position.


But still, that only goes for Assassins.

Assassins have mobility and can close big distances very quickly.

Meanwhile Syndra doesn't have 1 mobility spell.

It is harder for Syndra to get in Range than for any assassin.

So sorry, but referring to that quote doesn't even make sense to me at all as it is completely different context for a completely different class.

The whole statement was about Assassins coming out of nowhere and shitting on you. I have never seen a Syndra jump out of the Fog of War from nowhere and kill you.

Foxynth1 votes

LMAO the flash plays. I love syndra so much, she's so god damned fun.

Akali is SO HOT3 votes

That's not true at all. There aren't any Assassins that have a ranged targeted nuke that is always guaranteed to land. If you replace Syndra with Zed in that clip, then Rakan would've easily survived because he would've had the chance to dash away from Zed and dodge his abilities.

In the case of Zed, there is plenty of interaction going on there. Zed is risking his life to go into the enemy team to kill Rakan. Rakan has the chance to dash and kite away and dodge Zed's abilities to prevent himself from dying. Zed can still use his abilities to kill Rakan, but they are not guaranteed to hit Rakan meaning that Rakan dying is reliant on both players in this situation.

Where is the interaction and outplay potential with Syndra in that clip? All she did was press R and walked away while Rakan could do nothing from preventing his HP bar from disappearing. Rakan dying is only reliant on Syndra pressing a single button in this situation and leaves nothing for Rakan to do in return.

Shadòw2 votes

For the 3rd time now, he knew Syndra was strong and stepped forward.

Her single target nuke is her identity, it's where most of her power comes from.

Once he was stunned, there wasn't any ability to outplay her, and there shouldn't be. He was simply punished for disrespecting her having not 1, not 2, but 3 and later 4 spheres on the ground.

And i still don't know if you are just ignorant or openly ignoring me, the interaction with Syndra happens BEFORE she Ults. When she gets off her 6 sphere Ult, you are R.I.P.

That's why you need to respect her spheres. Yes, Rakan couldn't do much more when her Ult came on him, but he could have prevented himself from dying by respecting her BEFORE dying.

it's the same thing with any other Burst Mage. it's like not respecting Annie having her stun up and oneshotting you with her full combo while you are stunned. here it is the same.. you can also prevent yourself from dying by respecting her Stun BEFORE she actually Ults you. the moment she gets her Ult on you, you are R.I.P. and that's fine.

or just Jumping in front of a Malzahar who locks you 2.5 seconds down.

there is no need to be able to outplay any bad situation you got yourself into, sometimes you should just prevent getting into those situations at all.

Penns5 votes

She isnt an assassin dude, she doesnt need counterplay hehe xd
https://i.gyazo.com/206bd8f65a983bb0e8c77bd69ab22295.png But Syndra is fine lel

Akali is SO HOT5 votes

Her burst is guaranteed and ranged which is harder to pull off than Assassins that have to go into melee range to burst targets down. Syndra is definitely not the problem here Xd hehe

Penns4 votes

True haha just dodge the shot lul

OtterlyLost4 votes

There is honestly no counterplay to that and the people who are saying,"lol just don't be near her when she's got 4+ balls up" are kidding, I hope. Because that's not counterplay in the least. Her Q is low CD, the balls stay around a decently long time, and her ult, despite being a point click nuke, has a really short CD. So just not being around when she has tons of balls and her ult up is an absolutely stupid piece of advice because she's bound to always have them up

Furthermore the Rakan in that clip literally only got hit with the stun. :/ She landed nothing else on him and then just got 100 to 0 him from full health and threw two shields just because he was unfortunate to get stunned by her. Syndra's ult has been a problem for a long time because it completely rewards her for missing every single one of her skillshots. I still remember the video of Imaqtpie dodging everything and then still dying because,"oops, she pressed R." People didn't like WW ultimate for the same reason.

Foxynth3 votes

she landed the throw on him. which cleaned up Ivern's shield. and also procced thunderlords. You should watch more carefully.

If you consider it, Rakan had no shields because the stun knocked his out, the throw knocked the ivern shield, and the rest was fried chicken.

Foxynth3 votes

Actually, uhh, I would call that worth. Hell, if I was rakan with shields I'd take a death over one of my carries dying. That aside though, I get what you're saying but there is plenty of counterplay to that. Exhausts do the trick, hourglass for mages, NOT standing around when she's got six balls on the ground. Hell, even GA cancels most of the devastation if the circumstances serve.

Also keep in mind that his HP pool barely broke 1k.

ALSO ALSO, Ivern shield actually wore off RIGHT as Thunderlords popped off. Poor birdy wasn't going anywhere.

Lyndris1 votes

And tanks have this item 3194 (which also helps with the q spam)

Foxynth1 votes

I wonder how long it will take for someone to realize that A. Rakan had no real shields and B. for someone to tell me that using an item to counter an ult is not appropriate counterplay.

Akali is SO HOT3 votes

Summoner Spells and Items are not forms of counterplay. Only having "Don't be in range of her" as your option to outplay her is very poor design and not a valid form of counterplay. If you're melee it's even worse because then you can't be out of her range if you want to try to kill her. If it wasn't guaranteed to land, but still did a ton of damage that would be fine because you would have the ability to outplay it no matter where you are on the map, but because it is guaranteed that's not the case.

DJMason881 votes

Biased Syndra main here, hello. Yes it does matter how fed she was, i mean she was 3 levels ahead of him. And don't use a lcs clip when complaing about balance, they are pros and i doubt many people could do this combo this fast outside of Syndra mains in master and challenger. Rakan was hit by her full combo and only 1 of said abilities in the combo was targeted.

Akali is SO HOT3 votes

I don't care how much damage she does. I care about how she does the damage and what I can do to outplay that damage. There is nothing Rakan could've done there to not die. Replace Syndra with almost anyone else and Rakan could've survived, but because it's a targeted nuclear bomb that can't be dodged, there was nothing he could do.

DJMason881 votes

He mis-positioned by walking up to one of her spheres (directly in front of it) while she was in range to e.

Akali is SO HOT4 votes

That's the equivalent of saying he mis-positioned by walking within Zed's Ult range and therefore deserves to die without being able to do anything about it. That's not how counterplay works. Walking within range of Syndra's spheres and then dying with no chance to dodge it because she pressed the R button on you is problematic

Catastrop1 votes

Riot could do the smart thing and revert her Q changes, you know, the ones that changed her playstyle from "tempoed and telegraphed" to "spam Q press R." But let's just nerf her W hitbox because that's totes the root of all her problems.

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