Diamond Eve Main here with 600+ Eve games: Do not nerf Eve this way

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Hello! My name is Brian and I'm a diamond Eve main with over 600 Eve games in ranked this season alone, and I've been playing her for quite a while so I've seen plenty of her ups and downs in terms of nerfs, and I have to say this is probably one of the worst ones you've considered in my opinion.

For all of those unaware this nerf is basically just adding 40 mana cost to her W, and while you might be thinking "that's all? that's nothing!" I don't blame you for thinking that but it isn't quite the case. See when you look closer at this ability it has 2 reset mechanics, one on kill and one through amount of targets hit through spells. In fights you can easily use this spell 5+ times in big teamfights, it's her bread and butter fight mobility spell and what allows her to function as an assassin.

Now say you do use this spell 5 times in a given teamfight, you essentially are using up 200 extra mana, on top of your rather high Q costs (36 at rank 5, which you spam a lot in fights), 70 mana cost on E and of course 100 on ult.

Let's compare this to another sustained damage assassin who uses a resetting ability and mana...

Kha'zix! This is not to say Kha'Zix is strong or anything, just an a fluidity argument.

Now Kha has a resetting mobility dash that's on his evolved E, and at all levels this costs 50 mana. While the cost is higher than Evelynn's the distance granted is far higher and it also offers damage, he will also typically use it less per skirmish. Also when you look at his other abilities he has much lower mana costs on his sustained damage ability. His Q, which is his sustained damage ability costs only 25 mana at all ranks, and his W which is his secondary damage ability costs 75 at max rank. As you can see his mana costs in a prolonged fight will end up being overall lower which helps keep fluidity in his kit, and won't feel bad to play in prolonged skirmishes.

Again this is not suggesting Kha is good at all, this is a feeling thing.

Now for Eve if you want to add this cost to her W to add more risk or to slow her jungle speed that's fine, but you need to reduce the cost of her Q or E to make up for it so you can keep her skirmishing from feeling terrible.

In my opinion however it would be much better to simply revert a buff you gave her not too long ago, namely the massive slow you gave on her ult so her level 6 ganks are not nearly as impactful as they are now.

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Skia Asteri10 votes

Lets not forget that even without mana cost there is still a downside to using it already. It disables her passive allowing her to be seen by normal wards or minions if she uses it to move around the map quicker and disables her increased mana regen.

Bears Dont Care6 votes

The buff on her ults slow didn't change her level 6 ganks in a meaningful way. it was done to compensate her nerf when they removed her gotta go fast from dark frenzy.

Riot hates eve frankly.

Support Evelynn4 votes

[{quoted}](name=Bears Dont Care,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=fiEKUqf1,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2015-10-01T01:54:51.686+0000)

The buff on her ults slow didn't change her level 6 ganks in a meaningful way. it was done to compensate her nerf when they removed her gotta go fast from dark frenzy.

Riot hates eve frankly.

Yes it did, her slow buff made her ganks at 6 far more potent. If they burn any mobility it's a garenteed kill.

BlackEyesBlue2 votes

You and I have VERY different ideas of a "guaranteed kill"...

As an Eve main, that buff was WORTHLESS! It was coupled with a massive nerf to her Q damage as well!

Support Evelynn4 votes

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You and I have VERY different ideas of a "guaranteed kill"...

As an Eve main, that buff was WORTHLESS! It was coupled with a massive nerf to her Q damage as well!

Mate trust me, it was a big buff lol.

Miraweave1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Maya Fey,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=fiEKUqf1,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2015-10-01T02:53:07.761+0000)

Mate trust me, it was a big buff lol.

I agree nerf eve :^)

Bears Dont Care1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Maya Fey,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=fiEKUqf1,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2015-10-01T01:55:58.808+0000)

Yes it did, her slow buff made her ganks at 6 far more potent. If they burn any mobility it's a garenteed kill.

I don't quite agree with that, as slows have lost their power due to the increase of teleports and gap closers.

Leaf of the lake3 votes

I don't even like eve and I agree

ModIts Yuu and Mi3 votes
  1. Whoever the fuck is saying that a massive slow on her Ult doesnt help in a gank is straight up stupid, end of story.

  2. I really fucking hate fighting Eve. Champ triggers the fuck outta me. I love it when I have good ones on my team. And honestly? I have to agree. I'm glad Riot's looking into her and not ignoring her, and as much as I hate to say it, you make very compelling arguments.

So +1. Nerf Eve, but not in this way.

But really either she or vision needs a rework.

I literally wrote up about a 50 paragraph essay on the old forums on how stealth became fucked the moment pink wards got changed. I'll dig for it again some day but basically I'm going to just say that vision needs a rework again, but in the meantime, +1

Support Evelynn4 votes

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I literally wrote up about a 50 paragraph essay on the old forums on how stealth became fucked the moment pink wards got changed. I'll dig for it again some day but basically I'm going to just say that vision needs a rework again, but in the meantime, +1

I think the way stealth works in this game needs a big overhaul.

PiVoRx2 votes

Her design is retarded, she shouldnt be released at all. Wards are in game for a reason, and she makes whole mechanic of them pointless.

And also shes low elo roflstomper while being very strong at high elo. Players on lower leagues dont know how to ward and even in diamond many dont know what pink does.

Just stupid champ overall.

umbraˉ1 votes

will u be my friend

Support Evelynn2 votes

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will u be my friend

Zed

umbraˉ1 votes

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Budupops1 votes

defend ur freelo while u can

Support Evelynn1 votes

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Kat Head1 votes

The problem with eve is that she is an Assassin, Riot currently has an agenda to remove the assassin role from the game. This is a statement of fact, the most nerfed role in season 5 was the assassin role. Most of the nerfs were direct nerfs and a few indirect ones hurt also.

Marksmen are getting a rework (not saying they do not need some attention), despite still being the most important role in the game. How many games do you win where your bot lane got rekt ? 1 out of 25, 50, 100 ? For me it is very very rare. The assassin role is the role that is in the most dire condition and in need of buffs or a rework.

The amount of times I have gotten wins while having to play around fed Assassins is quite numerous. The game I am playing currently has a few different ways to carry, either I pick a mage, juggernaut or an adc.

Adrian Umbra2 votes

Do you have any statements from Riot about how they're working to "remove the assassin role from the game"? Does this have anything to do with the very assassin heavy meta that dominated the earlier portions of Season 5 before the tank meta rolled through? Was Ekko being nerfed TOWARD an assassin playstyle just a glitch in the system? Have you really never carried as a bruiser or tank (because I have)? Have you thought about the fact that your bottom lane getting rekt means that two people on the enemy team are getting fed instead of just one and two people on your team are now behind?

And have you considered that the ADC role being so integral to League is the reason they're doing a rework on it in the first place?

Rico Nasty1 votes

What angers me is there is literally no Eve rework anywhere on the map for years; yet besides Poppy and Yorick, she is the champion most in need of a rework in this game.

Ferus and Ferrum3 votes

Not to the extent you say... poppy's kit is way too toxic, and laning against yorick has caused me to contract ebola on more than one occasion.

Kat Head1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Adrian Umbra,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=fiEKUqf1,comment-id=000a0000,timestamp=2015-10-01T13:46:53.079+0000)

Do you have any statements from Riot about how they're working to "remove the assassin role from the game"? Does this have anything to do with the very assassin heavy meta that dominated the earlier portions of Season 5 before the tank meta rolled through? Was Ekko being nerfed TOWARD an assassin playstyle just a glitch in the system? Have you really never carried as a bruiser or tank (because I have)? Have you thought about the fact that your bottom lane getting rekt means that two people on the enemy team are getting fed instead of just one and two people on your team are now behind?

And have you considered that the ADC role being so integral to League is the reason they're doing a rework on it in the first place?

48% winrate ekko is a problem ? I do not think so, but a tank (ekko) that could do insane damage was a problem. He was moved towards his intended role, but not so far he actually has a good win rate. Lux had a high win rate BEFORE they buffed her this last time. Riot determines the meta and they have been for a while. The tank meta hurt assassins for sure, but do not act like each individual assassin did not receive some major nerfs BEFORE this took place. The assassin meta was over before the tanks showed up.

[{quoted}](name=Kat Head,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=fiEKUqf1,comment-id=000a,timestamp=2015-10-01T09:37:37.290+0000)

The amount of times I have gotten wins while having to play around fed Assassins is quite numerous. The game I am playing currently has a few different ways to carry, either I pick a mage, juggernaut or an adc.

Quoted my self for you. ^

Traditional supports need very little gold to do the job effectively, most of there power is built into there kits. A "FED" support is far less of a big deal than the fed adc he / she protects. Even losing lane item 3117 item 2049 item 3050 item 2043 item 3341, is fairly easy to get to. 1 level lower Janna tornado is just at effective at its actual job as equal level tornado.

The entire game revolves around bot lane, clearly it is still viable / strong. If you would reread what I said, I said the role could use some work. It is not a dead role like the assassin role, it is the most important role in the game.

Now lets examine the Assassin role, over half of assassins are so weak I dodge if someone on my team picks one and honestly you should also. The ones that are actually good have ridiculous damage that is so completely unfair it hurts my head (Rengar and to a much lesser extent Talon). When was the last time you were glad someone on your team locked in Akali ? Are you super happy to have a kassadin on your team ? Are you really happy to have that 48% winrate Ekko or Kat on your team ? I think not, you would much prefer the lux or annie or viegar or ahri / insert generic mage name here. These champions are better in the meta and just better overall.

But muh low mobility, fck that jazz. You have CC that strikes fear into the enemy team and this is far greater than a small amount of mobility (in terms of power, not fun).

Boards are for discussion and I am happy to entertain dissenting opinions (I am frequently wrong), but from someone who plays primarily assassins I can safely tell you that the entire role needs love much more than the most important role in the game does.

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