Why is it that when I play top lane

Jefftiffy·Feb 19, 2016·1 votes·467 views

That the enemy jungler is camping my lane with a tent near every game. Meanwhile our early game jungle like is farming jungle. I mean this has been happening a lot lately. I main top and this is near every game. I rarely ever see my jungler, but the enemy jungler seems to have built a nest in the river bush.

And more often than not, being 1v2 most of the game leads to you losing lane and feeding especially to early game junglers and laners. It starts as missing farm, then it turns in to an abilities advantage then they start to either pick you off if you push out a little or tower dive stupid hard and get away with it.

Another thing that annoys me is when people pick people like jungle in a meta where most lanes are decided before they ever hit 6. Meanwhile enemy team has something like and you sit there and cry knowing the entire game is an uphill battle.

12 Comments

FatalitýFeb 19, 20161 votes

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JefftiffyFeb 19, 20162 votes

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Can't pink if the enemy jungler has a tent. It dies in under 30s. Vision is so bad this season that it actually encourages snowballing because the only extra vision you get is visible to the enemy team. You can only defend something if you are at least on par with the enemy team. Otherwise its pointless.

XrusaFeb 19, 20161 votes

Super true tbh. The only current option to deal with camps is to /try/ and ward more efficiently, i.e. warding at times where they are likely to be there, particularly early game. Try to figure out which side of the jungle they start on, and wait roughly the amount of time it takes for them to get buffs, then ward on the side they are likely to gank from. Aside from that, options are pretty limited. I main mid and get the same camps, junglers seem to love me and I've sorta started to just kinda assume it's my fault and that I should position/ward better, but they seem to always be there even when I do, so I dunno at this point.

SoundChaosDebugFeb 19, 20161 votes

I've noticed lately when I play top or mid lane I seem to get all the attention of the enemy team, early ganks with 2 people doesn't seem to cut it for them and I still escape it's progressively becoming like 3-4 man ganks from enemy team with 2 of them diving from behind the tower to secure the kill.

Gotta love being the most popular one!

Makior72Feb 19, 20161 votes

Took a quick look at your match history and saw that the games you are likely refering to are your riven and gang plank games. Both of these champions are very snowbally and a good jungler will shut then down early given the opportunity. With both of these champions (more so riven than gang plank) if they fall behind in lane they automatically lose lane phase just about. Get them even further behind and they are worthless to their team until late game IF theu can farm up enough.

Basically your choice of champion will heavily influence if you get camped top lane or not.

JefftiffyFeb 19, 20161 votes

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Took a quick look at your match history and saw that the games you are likely refering to are your riven and gang plank games. Both of these champions are very snowbally and a good jungler will shut then down early given the opportunity. With both of these champions (more so riven than gang plank) if they fall behind in lane they automatically lose lane phase just about. Get them even further behind and they are worthless to their team until late game IF theu can farm up enough.

Basically your choice of champion will heavily influence if you get camped top lane or not.

No its not even that. I main Gnar and 9/10 games the enemy jungler is up on my ass 24/7 meanwhile my jungle farms when he just needs to come up and help me kill the damn enemy one time and the lane is over, but nope personal CS > team advantage.

If you have an early game top ofc the jungler is going to camp you, but if your jungler does nothing to influence the game while the enemy jungler seems to be everywhere doing everything it makes you want to just leave the game. I mean I have had a few games where my I told my jungler to gank the other lanes because I wasn't going to lose even 1v2 and they run in the jungle and power farm while the other lanes are dying.

JefftiffyFeb 19, 20161 votes

I mean and even the last game I was in I was playing Malph into a Poppy. I played super safe due to not doing well, pinged the damn Poppy who had 150 hp and no mana 3 times and our Wu decided he was going to take golems instead of the free kill. And guess who won lane. The Poppy, because she gets innate defense on top of her damage.

Guess when the chance was to stop that? Early game. What did Wu do with his early game? Farmed. How much damage did he do to champs? Less than our support Leona. I don't understand. Why pick jungle to just farm all game and not influence? When I play it I want to gank and do the fun parts. Sitting afk farming isn't fun.

BluePolarizerFeb 19, 20161 votes

Here's what I think when I play top:

OMG WHY IS THIS ENEMY JUNGLE SITTING HERE AFTER THE WARD EXPIRED

Here's what I think when I play jungle:

Hmm, mid or bot are overextended and those are the carry lanes. Top has utility even if he falls behind and the enemy top is super safe. Maybe I should gank the lanes that are easier and have a bigger impact.

JefftiffyFeb 19, 20161 votes

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Here's what I think when I play top:

OMG WHY IS THIS ENEMY JUNGLE SITTING HERE AFTER THE WARD EXPIRED

Here's what I think when I play jungle:

Hmm, mid or bot are overextended and those are the carry lanes. Top has utility even if he falls behind and the enemy top is super safe. Maybe I should gank the lanes that are easier and have a bigger impact.

Idk if you have someone like Darius Gnar Fiora Riven MonkeyKing Jayce Olaf Trundle Renekton in top lane they can carry pretty hard too. I mean your top lane is quite often your utility and tank and if they cant die and are way ahead it is very very bad for the enemy team because they have someone who can sit on their team and just do huge burst and CC or sustain for days in the middle of their team and not care versus a squishy who can die from a single combo from another squishy.

BluePolarizerFeb 19, 20161 votes

Here's the other thing: if bot loses they are literally useless. If mid loses, they could potentially be absolutely useless but at the very least will have a minimal impact. If top loses, they'll still be tanky and still will be a threat no matter what as long as they did not feed 5+ kills to a hard carry like Fiora. Sure I'll come top once or twice but I won't continuously gank it at the cost of personal farm or carry lanes.

EndlessSorcererFeb 19, 20161 votes

For a bit of context, my two main roles are jungle and top lane. As such, I am speaking from my experience playing both sides involved.

As a jungler, I can and will keep ganking a lane if I get kills from them. If I see someone consistently overextending, overstaying and/or not warding, I will come up for the free gold (and to get my top laner snowballing).

Your main objective is to make yourself an undesirable target for the enemy jungler.

My advice to you would be to:

Manage the minion wave. If the enemy freezes the minion wave so that you have to overextend to farm, you are quite easy to gank. If you freeze the minion wave near your tower, you are safe from mostly ganks unless they tower dive you (and defensive wards behind your tower can make this extremely risky for them since both you and your allies are aware ahead of time).
Use your trinkets to ward your lane. I can not tell you how often I see people with less than 5 wards placed after a 30 minute game when they've had the Yellow Trinket all game (and this is up in Platinum).
Purchase a pink ward for your lane (or jungle). They are only 75G and last until destroyed; a defensively placed ward can go unfound for 30 minutes in top lane quite often. Even if the ward is quickly cleared by the enemy jungler, you saved yourself from at least one gank.
Watch your enemy laner. If they are acting uncharacteristically aggressive, they are probably setting you up for a gank.
Know where the enemy jungler will typically be and behave appropriately. If bottom lane is overextended, they may go to gank them. If buff camps just came up, they will probably be clearing them (and you should know which spawns first if you are attentive, so you know where they will start and end their clear).

Also, farming junglers are not a liability. While their team has to play a little safer early game (since they are less likely to receive ganks or counterganks), they can make up for it with their post-6 ganks, teamfighting, or late-game scaling quite easily while early-game junglers fall off.

Even then, many power-farming junglers can still gank (and get early kills) when an opportunity presents itself (so many people don't expect the level 4 Diana gank or the level 2 Amumu invade :P).