Knowing someone has bought Duskblade is simple. Were they doing bad? Are they 2-shotting people now?

EinarUlfar·Jan 4, 2018·83 votes·3,988 views

And it's frustrating. Can we do something about the fact this item is an AD roamer's wet dream? Ward detector, extra burst, Lethality, CDR, AD???? :| Can we please address this obviously overloaded item?

Edit: Since everyone wants to mock my listing of multiple item perks, allow me to point out that the items mentioned are not nearly as universally bought/abused as DB on our wide selection of AD Champions. The item does everything for ADs too well, and it's very common to see MANY a Champion rush this item.

It's spike is absurd (especially for a First Buy).

135 Comments

KoutetsujôJan 4, 201824 votes

Meanwhile at riot balance team HQ : " Guys I think ornn needs more buffs to be viable"

WukongMainJan 4, 201810 votes

Infinity edge ad carries wet dream. Attack damage, crit chance and a crit damage boost!?

Can we please address this obviously overloaded item?

ŚhunpoJan 4, 201844 votes

You mean Statikk Shiv, right? The item that is almost single-handily breaking the ADC position?

KyunseiJan 4, 20187 votes

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You mean Statikk Shiv, right? The item that is almost single-handily breaking the ADC position?

Never understood why they broke statik into an all-in utility damage option from a pushing tool.

BarkleyJan 5, 20182 votes

This.... so much this.

Why does stattik shiv even target champions? I thought it was meant for minion pushing...

I though RFC and PD were the ones you built for fighting champions? RFC offensive, PD defensive.

Oh and lets not forget Runaan's.... oh wait... don't all of these things build out of the same item?

So you're telling me adc's can sit on a zeal and then upgrade it any which way with virtually no cost for the commitment? That's weird considering that AP champs have to commit to a defensive item or an offensive item. There is no "on the fly" build path. There is no "let me sit on this item that's good and figure out how to best make it better later" for AP champs.

But ads can buy zeal and just wait it out, while getting perfectly good stats from the zeal itself.

leakinbJan 4, 201810 votes

Seems fair they can deal 2xx extra dmg midgame when they appear and auto once Cancer

AmazoXJan 4, 20188 votes

You do realize Duskblade will stay the way it is because the moment it is nerfed, half the assassins will become useless and the REAL assassins will show up Twitch Draven Caitlyn Xayah Vayne Tristana

GrReaper96Jan 4, 20188 votes

You forgot MissFortune Jhin who are already the main abusers

Somebody Love MeJan 4, 20185 votes

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You forgot who are already the main abusers

Once duskblade is nerfed, depending on the nerf, MF will cease to exist, since there is no reason to build her crit when you can play literally any other ADC. Jhin, however, might still be viable.

ZapMyHeartJan 5, 20184 votes

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Once duskblade is nerfed, depending on the nerf, MF will cease to exist, since there is no reason to build her crit when you can play literally any other ADC. Jhin, however, might still be viable.

item 3142 or item 3071 still exists for MF.

ChuShoeJan 4, 20182 votes

and what? Adc's aren't too strong right now either?

ŚhunpoJan 4, 20185 votes

ADCs are arguably the most overbuffed class right behind tanks, don't tell me they aren't strong. Especially with the new runes, Sorcery and Precision are just made for ADCs, as in every rune in those two trees is amazing on ADCs (apart from Phase Rush).

ChuShoeJan 5, 20184 votes

That's what I was saying, are you daft? I was obviously saying that adc's also deserve nerfs currently.

YumaS2AstralJan 4, 20186 votes

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You do realize Duskblade will stay the way it is because the moment it is nerfed, half the assassins will become useless and the REAL assassins will show up

I would rather have Duskblade nerfed or reworked, and AD assassins have their proper compensation buffs, than have them be shit without this item, but absurd with it.

AmazoXJan 5, 20182 votes

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I would rather have Duskblade nerfed or reworked, and AD assassins have their proper compensation buffs, than have them be shit without this item, but absurd with it.

Depends on how much of a compensation buff you have in mind. Over do it and it will be reverting the Assassin Rework Do very little & you'll have the real Assassins merge up that won't one shot one player on the enemy team but the whole team while being immortal & of course using their highly intense right-clickin nuke button of Auto Attacks! Want to find the middle ground? You can't, even in real life, you can't keep everyone happy, all you can do is go for the choice that upsets the lesser amount of people when compared to the other choice(s)

KaìjuJan 4, 20187 votes

Doesn't Duskblade have three unique effects? On top of giving two stats?

YordanikJan 4, 20186 votes

item 3089 all ap champs wet dream shit ton of ap ability damage boost Can we aDdReSs ThIs OvErLoAdEd iTeM

MrHaZeYoJan 4, 201859 votes

How is it overloaded? It's just AP lol.

DB gives Leth, CDR, Ward Detection, AD, and True Dmg burst

vincentwu123Jan 4, 201822 votes

Where in Duskblade does it give True Damage?

Brownie ElfieJan 4, 20185 votes

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Where in Duskblade does it give True Damage?

That guy has been living under a rock lol

Sun Wu RyuumokuJan 4, 201811 votes

True Dmg burst

????

junglerboy16Jan 4, 201814 votes

Used to have true damage when they first added it, then they changed it to physical and increased it by about 2-3X what it was, conveniently forgetting that physical damage scaled off of the lethality it provided, thus breaking the item.

KoutetsujôJan 4, 20184 votes

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Horse GrenadesJan 4, 20186 votes

Nice contribution! [slayer-jinx-unamused]

Dasdi96Jan 4, 201845 votes

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all ap champs wet dream shit ton of ap ability damage boost Can we aDdReSs ThIs OvErLoAdEd iTeM

Duskblade is 2900 Deathcap is 3800

junglerboy16Jan 4, 201816 votes

On top of that Dcap also has an ass build path and does jack shit if you don't have 300 AP from other items already.

If anything Dcap is the AP's nightmare cuz they're screwed if they build it, screwed if they don't.

Also, since when is 120 AP considered a shit ton XD, AP ratios are nowhere near what they used to be.

Ahri BakaJan 5, 20185 votes

item 3089 is the most expensive item in the game , and you can't rush it the way you do with Duskblade

PoskeJan 4, 201812 votes

Low elo? Seriously if anyone builds Rabadon at current state he is borderline trolling

Ayame IsakiJan 4, 201813 votes

I build it if I'm really ahead as a last item buy. It's worth it then. Anyone who builds this over item 3135 might be trolling, however.

ThefrostyvikingJan 4, 20185 votes

Some champs actually legit need the AP, which is what is causing them to struggle right now x)

Doesn't help that the item is so terribly inefficient that you need like 2-3 other items to make it worth it.

TerozuJan 4, 20188 votes

Veigar

PoskeJan 4, 20185 votes

I suggest Nomicon Voidstaff > full tank for veigar

Else you are playing strictly worse version of other champions in any case

Voidstaff > rabadon

TeCoolMageJan 4, 20184 votes

Both void and rabadons for veigar tbh, and then CDR tank items instead of morello

It's a much later game oriented build but rabadon's for veigar specifically still has its merits

PoskeJan 4, 20183 votes

you are losing out on cdr (AKA ap) if you dont rush nomicon

TeCoolMageJan 4, 20183 votes

Transcendence + FH + Adaptive :p

Sometimes I build Lichbane like a degenerate to get that juicy turret gold asap

ŚhunpoJan 4, 20182 votes

Yep. Pretty much. You can't even really build it on Kat (safely) anymore, and she's probably THE champion to build it on since she doesn't require mana and her AP scalings are above average.

On AP champs you're better off investing into magic pen. or defensive items by the time you want to buy D.cap. It's still a good item very late into the game, but given the pace of the current meta it's reaaaallly not good since games realistically only last 15-25 minutes on average.

PoskeJan 4, 20182 votes

Bassicly this

If I ever get Rabadon I get it as a sign of disrespect in a game which cannot be lost

I wonder if more people do that, kinda screws the data

TerozuJan 4, 20186 votes

AP has a mirror: item 3165 . Its kinda dumb how overloaded it is.

Squidward DabJan 4, 20184 votes

That’s because there’s no other ap item worth the first buy compared to morello. At least youmuu’s is sometimes bought over duskblade

RyrynounetJan 4, 20183 votes

Because it's only one of the rare item to be efficient for mages :v

TerozuJan 5, 20183 votes

Yeah but its over efficient. It has: CDR Grievous Wounds Ap Mana Mana Regen And none of those are low tacked on stats, its ridiculous.

ŚhunpoJan 4, 20184 votes

Duskblade isn't exactly overloaded, Lethality is just a nightmare of a stat. which isn't being addressed properly.

ThefrostyvikingJan 4, 20183 votes

Duskblade is absolutely OP if you are snowballing even a little, like if just comparing 1 item spikes then duskblade comes out ontop every time, both for item power and strategic value.

Even if the ward sweeper is down you still always know if the enemies have wards, how broken is that when you think about it?

A huge damage proc to enhance all burst, a decent chunk of AD and a little CDR....along with the passives.

Even if you were to just add 10-20 extra AD instead of lethality people would still rush the item on the champs that currently do.

TerozuJan 4, 20182 votes

Duskblade has a cooldown... Sweeper has a shorter CD and lasts longer.

Serika ZeroJan 4, 20187 votes

what he meant by that is: duskblade has a passive component where if the enemy team hasn't seen you on the minimap for 1 seconds (or more), your next auto attack (or skill that acts as auto attacks, like ezreal's Q, nasus's q, etc) will apply bonus damage and slow the target for 99% for like 0.5 seconds.

So, you see that small indicator at the same place you see how much time left your red buff has, or blue buff, or your eve stealth indication or your twich stealth indicator, or how much you have until you can use that Q as nasus to auto attack something before it goes on cooldown.

That's why, you can, at all times know if you are seen by the enemy team or not. Hence, know if something is warded or not. If you have no duskblade passive damage icon = warded. If your duskblade passive damage icon starts counting down (like twich q, nasus q, etc), then you just stepped over a warded area or in the vision of the enemy. Which is quite broken as you don't care about the 'cooldown' on it. It might as well have 0 cd, sure you can't destroy the ward like you could with the passive that reveals wards or sweeper. You know if the area is warded or not :)

Which is a very big advantage for AD cast, like they need more looool.

Ofc, in bronze or silver people that play ad assassins might not even know about this, meh, you might even stand on wards and they won't always notice due to not looking on the minimap. But the higher you go, the stronger that shit is. Knowing if you are seen or not is a big deal

ŚhunpoJan 4, 20181 votes

Viking, that's what I said. When I say that Lethality is a nightmare of the stat. I do mean that Duskblade is broken.

I'm just saying that the main reason it's busted is the fact that Lethality is an extremely unhealthy stat.

ThefrostyvikingJan 4, 20183 votes

Lethality isn't really bad by itself, it's only when you start adding in other effects like the damage proc that it turns nasty.

Kinda like how a lone static shiv isn't much but paired with IE it becomes ridiculously strong, and with a RFC it becomes OP.

As for what you said.....what you wrote is the following ;

Duskblade isn't exactly overloaded, Lethality is just a nightmare of a stat. which isn't being addressed properly.

Which i would read as "duskblade and most of it's components are not OP, it's just lethality making the item too strong due to the stat itself being bad"

Which implies that it's not the combo of vision awareness, raw AD and some cdr along with a solid damage proc for a fairly cheap price that is an issue, its because the item offers 16 lethality?...

What i wrote was that the item and it's passives are so strong that even if you were to ditch the lethality and just add a little extra AD instead people would still build the item as usual anyway, because the item is indeed extremely strong on some champs, or even OP.

The LexerJan 4, 20184 votes

Really I see no reason for this to have the vision sweeping element. Whenever that's off cooldown the item becomes ridiculously OP for scouting wards. It basically gives a lot of burst damage and turns you into a mobile pink ward.

junglerboy16Jan 4, 20184 votes

Personally I find the vision sweeping aspect to be much more compelling and better designed. I'd rather they gut the damage proc and leave the vision control so it's a strategic buy for roamers with a little kick (like it was supposed to be) instead of an instant passive nuke item.