Vayne is disgustingly broken

Rozair·Dec 23, 2016·117 votes·11,499 views

Edit: alot of people are saying crit vayne is better and I agree. I'm saying she just becomes viable with only a .

Why is an adc player who is 0/8/2 viable once they hit a certain level with a . I get that vayne is a late game scaling champion but why does her w passive have no scaling on it. It has does a shitton of damage all by itself just for leveling it. Add ad scaling to her w and take away power from its base damage.

Vayne shouldn't be super powerful just because she is vayne.

107 Comments

doublelift fgDec 23, 201636 votes

vayne buying bork?

dafuq

XeroKimoDec 23, 20163 votes

Botrk + guinsoos stronk :^)

R18Dec 24, 20161 votes

It's actually strong with her since they buffed the %current health by 2%

Brain Errör 404Dec 23, 201622 votes

The exaggeration in this post is so great, it's hilarious. A 1 damage item Vayne 20minutes into the game is just as shitty as any other 1 damage item ADC that isn't a utility ADC. And they can get by solely due to their Utility so they aren't 100% useless.

NightmareAmazoXDec 23, 201611 votes

Late game vayne is literally the best character in the game, She's what an Assassin is considered OP by Riot Games, Except they don't think Vayne is OP, She does better assassination than an Assassin, She's that one character who will assassinate the one sent to assassinate her, Vayne with the right hands can dominate.

Brain Errör 404Dec 23, 20163 votes

She has a very obvious window of power, though. There are champs that can kick ass even with their ulti's on CD:

AurelionSol Azir Jinx Jhin Fiora Caitlyn Draven Evelynn Yasuo XinZhao

Know what happens to a Vayne whose ulti is on CD? She gets blown up. She relies more on outplay capabilities rather than upfront damage. Late game, while I agree she's UP there, she is NOT the best champion in the game. Riven Fiora Tryndamere Yasuo MasterYi Fizz Annie Draven Garen will all slaughter her if they catch her out in a bad position. There's many more too. But yeah, Vayne, like a few other champs, is THE duelist ADC. You can't go there expecting to fight a Vayne head first, just like you can't go in there expecting to fight a Fiora or Riven head first.

There are multiple champions who excel at 1v1s and just like you wouldn't go alone to take them out, you treat Vayne the same. She's one of the few independent marksmen in the game -- excluding Graves and Quinn, and I like it that way. You take 2 or 3 people if you wanna take her out. Unless she's extremely fed, or you misplay bad enough, you should kill her without losing anyone -- or maybe just one person.

NightmareAmazoXDec 23, 201614 votes

You really believe Garen can beat Vayne, What are you smoking? Hook me up with some of that. item 3036 + item 3153 + Silver Bolts is pure tank shredder, One auto, Will hurt Garen in the butt so hard. Try playing Vayne please.

LegenDariusGarenDec 23, 20163 votes

I have 1 v 1'd a Vayne many times as Garen and won. I do it every time I see her on enemy team. However, it has gotten a bit harder. One Q is all I need https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XDLzierYZg&feature=youtu.be

Brain Errör 404Dec 23, 20161 votes

People are just going to circle jerk a champ saying she's OP OP cause they're literally too stupid to deal with them. Ofc Vayne can kill a Garen if she plays the range game, but once he gets on top of her, she's normally dead. That 1s silence is all he needs, lmao.

LegenDariusGarenDec 23, 20164 votes

I do think that Vayne is op though. Not just right now. I have been banning her since season 4. Her and Kayle, because fuck those champs.

Shuriman CuratorDec 23, 20162 votes

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I have 1 v 1'd a Vayne many times as Garen and won. I do it every time I see her on enemy team. However, it has gotten a bit harder. One Q is all I need https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XDLzierYZg&feature=youtu.be

holy shit dude! that was pretty sick, funny thing is you can 100-0 faster than an assassin can lol

Pierce The VealJul 4, 20173 votes

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holy shit dude! that was pretty sick, funny thing is you can 100-0 faster than an assassin can lol

It's just sheer luck he did that though lol. Cause his Q can crit, and it has a 1.4 AD scaling, bringing it up to 2.5*1.4=3.5 AD scaling ability. With 3 AD items plus the like 200+ base damage on that ability, plus duskblade passive, plus plate that shit's gonna hurt. Again, without the crit that wouldn't have happened, but yep, garen can assassinate better than most assassins today.

KaRniVooL13Dec 25, 20161 votes

ive beat vayne as garen top

aspects1Dec 23, 20163 votes

vayne ulti has like a 40s cd tho lol

Brain Errör 404Dec 23, 20161 votes

Still a pretty long time to nab her though.

A BanditoDec 23, 20167 votes

40 seconds is not a long time lmao.

Brain Errör 404Dec 23, 20161 votes

Say that when you get aced late game and people are taking your Nexus. I bet it won't feel long then either. 1 seconds in this game is a long time. Look at Garen and his Silence and tell me it doesn't feel like you're silenced forever.

A BanditoDec 24, 20162 votes

Lolwut, no. You can't just use the most tense and quick possible example and apply that to the whole game. 40 seconds is a relatively short ult cooldown.

VesemirDec 25, 20162 votes

Lol. Aurelion tumble in stars and bam. Riven cant combo what you cannot see or she just presses E and kites you to oblivion. Fiora: GL hitting vitals on an invisible character. Draven cant survive 3 shots from Vayne. Tryndamere and Garen gets kited. Only Yi, Fizz and Annie can go in 1v1. Yasuo needs to be extremely skilled to beat her

Brain Errör 404Dec 26, 20161 votes

The champs in the first section are champs I listed that has good dueling power without the use of their ultimate. The champs in the 2nd section are the champs I used to show who can take a Vayne out with little to no problem in the late game. The reason I listed Draven, was because he should beat her so bad in lane, she shouldn't be able to make a comeback before the game ends.

On that note, it's a lot easier than you think to kill Vayne on Riven, considering you can take advantage of proper uses of your Q combo to see her silhouette when she RQs. The others, like Trynd, Yi, Annie and Fizz are great at taking her out from the jump. Fiora, as a Vayne, I'll have to tell you that you need EVERYTHING up in order to outplay a good Fiora. Don't forget Fiora is also a late game hyper carry. The 3 seconds you can't Q for is detrimental.

VesemirDec 27, 20162 votes

Well you need to know that Fiora struggles against high dps champions such as Tryndamere, Yi etc.. Vayne has a disengage aswell. I main Fiora and Vayne is a nightmare for her. You can go to reddit and ask at FioraMains they will tell you the same thing. You cant handle the damage she deals. Her MS boost+invisibility puts her to a place where you cannot duel her late game. Once she gets 2 zeal items combined with berserkers she becomes a freaking F1 car.

Pierce The VealJul 4, 20171 votes

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The exaggeration in this post is so great, it's hilarious. A 1 damage item Vayne 20minutes into the game is just as shitty as any other 1 damage item ADC that isn't a utility ADC. And they can get by solely due to their Utility so they aren't 100% useless.

I mean,

She's definitely not as shitty as any other 1 damage adc.

Pretty damn shitty, but still deals damage because of the %hp true damage.

dominusxDec 23, 20169 votes

cough cough Caitlyn cough cough

hunterspecDec 23, 20167 votes

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cough cough cough cough

whenever I play cait it seems like I do no damage but when I play vayne I wipe everyone off the map instantly

xxbrad2o12xxDec 23, 20164 votes

You're a fucking liar.

You haven't played a single Vayne game in ranked this season or last season or in the past month and your bronze 5. Also you can't play cait because your bronze 5.

I suppose you're going to give me some bullshit about how you have an alt account and probably even link a random fucking account.

Brain Errör 404Dec 23, 20166 votes

Some people post from an alternate account. It's always better to assume that most people who are stating something and lack evidence of said games on a particular account have more than one account -- unless you can 100% prove that he's lying, only has one account and is just spreading propaganda -- it's not nice to insult people without any means or evidence to back up your claims.

HazyCloud7Dec 23, 20165 votes

I don't think she's broken, just really poorly designed and not fun to play against at all. %max HP true damage and assassination 2 shot from stealth in one kit have no place in the same kit.

An Undead bratDec 23, 20163 votes

Ok so I did the exactly same post some time ago and I got downvoted to hell, wtf?

Rıots Bad ClientDec 23, 201619 votes

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Ok so I did the exactly same post some time ago and I got downvoted to hell, wtf?

reason is, people who seen your post first is the people who disagree, putting it at something like a "-2' meaning no one will see it. Its pretty much luck on these forums.

You can legit have just gibbrish, and if it gets enough votes 'About 5' people might actually start liking it because they think its funny.

General Esdeath Dec 23, 20163 votes

To be fair, Cait comes back hard once she gets item 3031 item 3085

EvilMerodachDec 23, 20163 votes

http://i.imgur.com/aj1iVum.jpg http://www.grammar-monster.com/easily_confused/alot_a_lot_allot.htm http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/730/141/7b3.jpg

idontgiveabotherDec 23, 20163 votes

Im basically able to determine the out come of a game when I see vayne picked. Its against you, you lose. Its on our side, we win. Im right most the time as well... I feel like I shouldn't be able to look at a champion and know what we are going to lose or have a high probability of it.

hunterspecDec 23, 20162 votes

ruined king? if you are gonna make another op vayne troll post at least make it right

DunkinNoobsDec 23, 20162 votes

Botrk Vayne in 2016 LUL.

Sraeg2013Dec 23, 20162 votes

The fuck is this, Season 3?

GULAG 4 UDec 23, 20163 votes

S3 PTSD AP Yi and W max+evolve Kha

Sraeg2013Dec 24, 20162 votes

I had the guilty pleasure of playing AP Yi mid back then.

45 games, 60% winrate.

http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/disneycreate/images/3/36/Those_were_the_days_gif.gif

GULAG 4 UDec 24, 20161 votes

Too bad I couldn't abuse sated devourer aatrox freelo :/

Mecha IncognitoDec 23, 20162 votes

Her W doesn't really need a nerf. It has it's own scaling which is based on it's target. It actually needs to stay at it's current power, so that when they (hopefully) fix her Q she has some actual damage to fall back on.

There is no point in getting botrk on her at the moment anyway, unless you're actually against like 4 tanks.

TreyhovaDec 23, 20162 votes

I mean, a bork vayne isnt going to destroy many champs besides squishys. Botlane in general is a fucking nightmare at the moment.

RoMzDec 23, 20162 votes

The OP build ins't even with Bork lol wtf

item 3031 item 3087

arc95Dec 23, 20162 votes

LeeSin

Kick... ded

Feed DaddyDec 23, 20162 votes

Yall are terrible

Usernamehere1235Dec 24, 20162 votes

Vayne so busted I had a dream her q one shot me

AriisCrystalbaneDec 26, 20171 votes

That wasn't a dream.

Usernamehere1235Jan 1, 20181 votes

This post is a year old lmao

invisiblecat1Dec 24, 20162 votes

A jinx that gets item 3085 automatically out damages everyone MOST adc's are stupidly broken, and it is the item's faults

Serj SmyleJul 28, 20172 votes

she's not the only ridiculously strong champion due to her kit and her scaling, azir, jinx, yi, yasuo, ryze, and cass. also if you include stacking champions like veigar and nasus.

but i do very much agree that vayne is a disgustingly broken champion with minimum effort as an adc in general.

it's just funny, playing as her and versing her. like: imo i think she needs an entire rework or, yeah just change her ult's damage or her true damage to physical or even remove the stun. but with or without the stun she is still insane.

i also think this is just one of many examples of riot being lazy. she's been like this for ages. what the hell is wrong with riot sometimes?

tbh i just blame riot for poor champion design, they rework or nerf a lot of champs lately but not vayne and with her horrifying late game scaling. add a couple of items and she's just an absolute unstoppable monster to verse. i never really have many issues with other champions like this, just vayne frequently more and for worse points. - as in oh their vayne has like 2 kills and 10 deaths and 1 item... this will be easy, oh she killed me... wat.

FuzzygonadsJul 4, 20171 votes

+4 attack speed per level. Id say shes broken as well.

meero9875Jan 22, 20191 votes

I Agree that vayne is disgustingly broken. I mean a dash that empowers aa. Truedamage % health passive. A pretty long cc for an adc and a disengage an ult which gives invisibilty with q,more damage attack speed (not sure) and movemnt speed. She probably does more burst damage than jhin. WHICH IS JUST UNAACEPTABLE for a dps champ