You don't know if you're isolated till you die in one fucking hit, even if you are like 2 inches from your teammates.
Lacks clarity/clear weakness for opponents to exploit.
It'd be like when TF uses his W, only he can see the card he pulled until thrown. Or if Draven's Q didn't have a visual effect and you suddenly just took 5000 damage from one AA. Or if Jinx has Rockets/Minigun in hand
Bring clarity for enemies.
Elite4Runner4 votes... but being isolated has nothing to do with your position relative to Kha'Zix, and everything to do with your position relative to your allies, who you have vision of.
Do you see any allies near you?
No?
Guess what, you're isolated.
Oleandervine3 votes... but being isolated has nothing to do with your position relative to Kha'Zix, and everything to do with your position relative to your allies, who you have vision of.
Do you see any allies near you?
No?
Guess what, you're isolated.
This. You don't need an indicator to tell you that you're alone. Common sense should prevail here.
Covert Ops Gnar1 votesThis. You don't need an indicator to tell you that you're alone. Common sense should prevail here.
no fucking shit sherlock
if you ever get past bronze, you'll find out that an enemy kha will hit you if you're 1 pixel outside the designated isolation range from teammates.
TequilaZombie1 votesIf you have no notion of in-game distance, the fault's on you. I may be bronze (as will say the unranked player acting as if Rank is a viable argument), but I can easily tell the distance I am from something based on my own ranges. Be it me auto attack range or from my abilities.
Just hover over an ability of your champion that you know the range (for example, Ez' Q is about 1100 untis) and use it as a base.
You don't need 1 pixel precision because you shouldn't be sitting perpetually at the 550 isolation range. You can't control the movements of your allies, they might suddenly move in an unespected direction and if you are hovering at the 10 last units of non-isolation, you might get isolated and killed.
TL;DR: Common Sense.
Covert Ops Gnar1 votesIf you have no notion of in-game distance, the fault's on you. I may be bronze (as will say the unranked player acting as if Rank is a viable argument), but I can easily tell the distance I am from something based on my own ranges. Be it me auto attack range or from my abilities.
Just hover over an ability of your champion that you know the range (for example, Ez' Q is about 1100 untis) and use it as a base.
You don't need 1 pixel precision because you shouldn't be sitting perpetually at the 550 isolation range. You can't control the movements of your allies, they might suddenly move in an unespected direction and if you are hovering at the 10 last units of non-isolation, you might get isolated and killed.
TL;DR: Common Sense.
You need the ability to position anywhere within the 550 units to maximize effectiveness in Diamond. Doing surprise 1000 damage because he pressed Q while a circle was around you that is invisible to you is stupid and lacks counterplay.
How fair would it be if you couldn't see Jhin's bullet count
Or see Draven's Q
Or TF's pick--a-card selection
It's retarded to have a critical indicator not visible for enemies.
TequilaZombie1 votesWhat is the other option?
You can have it on 100% of the time whenever Kha'Zix is present in your games. This is usually a bad thing as it increases the visual polution in the game.
You can have it on just when Kha'Zix is nearby, thus giving his position away and destroying any hope of surprise element (which should, in concept, be core to an assassin).
You can have it visible only when Kha'Zix is visible to you, which won't help you in the overwhelming majority of situations.
Covert Ops Gnar1 votesYou can have it visible only when Kha'Zix is visible to you, which won't help you in the overwhelming majority of situations.
Any situation where he is not assassinating from stealth.
When he ganks and you're kiting him around minions/tower. If he is standing on a ward on the other side of dragon pit wall while you're taking it with your jungler. When he's running around in a teamfight while his stealth is down.
literally any time he isnt stealth and is visible. You act like he's invisible 99% of the time like eve.
Covert Ops Gnar1 votes... but being isolated has nothing to do with your position relative to Kha'Zix, and everything to do with your position relative to your allies, who you have vision of.
Do you see any allies near you?
No?
Guess what, you're isolated.
no fucking shit sherlock
if you ever get past bronze, you'll find out that an enemy kha will hit you if you're 1 pixel outside the designated isolation range from teammates.
Elite4Runner1 votesYou see, the problem with your logic is that Kha'Zix is an assassin who can be invisible.
If you are relying on an indicator to tell you when you are isolated, you will be dead before you even see him.
Covert Ops Gnar1 votesYou see, the problem with your logic is that Kha'Zix is an assassin who can be invisible.
If you are relying on an indicator to tell you when you are isolated, you will be dead before you even see him.
Then you should be rewarded for having vision on him if he's an assassin that isnt meant to be seen?
B00B004 votesare you around you team mates? no? theres your indication.
Covert Ops Gnar1 votesare you around you team mates
no fucking shit sherlock
if you ever get past bronze, you'll find out that an enemy kha will hit you if you're 1 pixel outside the designated isolation range from teammates.
B00B002 votesgold last season, silver right now in flex not having started SoloQ yet, look, just get used to the range its nor difficult.
Covert Ops Gnar1 votesgold last season, silver right now in flex not having started SoloQ yet, look, just get used to the range its nor difficult.
http://imgur.com/a/6XqAc is this isolated or not
you only need to be 1 fucking pixel outside on the magical mystery number of units away from teammates to be considered isolated.
Oleandervine2 votes[{quoted}](name=Covert Ops Gnar,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=fe1sUq4L,comment-id=0003000000000000,timestamp=2017-01-30T12:38:46.601+0000)
http://imgur.com/a/6XqAc is this isolated or not
you only need to be 1 fucking pixel outside on the magical mystery number of units away from teammates to be considered isolated.
Minions don't count towards Kha'Zix's isolation, only champions.
Covert Ops Gnar3 votesMinions don't count towards Kha'Zix's isolation, only champions.
Now I really know you're bronze.
Oleandervine2 votes[{quoted}](name=Covert Ops Gnar,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=fe1sUq4L,comment-id=000300000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-01-30T12:44:35.555+0000)
Now I really know you're bronze.
Again, rank has nothing to do with this. I don't play Kha'Zix, and I won't ever play him. I could be at Gold and not play Kha'Zix. You don't have to show your ass. Regardless of that little outburst, it's still common sense to know when you're isolated and when you're not. Additionally, being that this is a computer run game, calculations that have already run (as in, if he attacked you and then you become not-isolated as the attack is resolving), the damage would most likely still treat you as isolated if the minion didn't come near enough before the damage was calculated.
Covert Ops Gnar1 votesAgain, rank has nothing to do with this. I don't play Kha'Zix, and I won't ever play him. I could be at Gold and not play Kha'Zix. You don't have to show your ass.
Then why would you be against a small indicator saying you're isolated?
Can literally be 1 pixel out of range of a teammate out of the 2 million pixels on the screen for a 10th of a second and you're isolated.
Kha is retardedly over powered right now and it doesn't help that there's no clarity of when he's going to do 1000 damage or 300 damage on hit. Giving time for players to reposition or rethink their position to get near a teammate.
Oleandervine1 votes[{quoted}](name=Covert Ops Gnar,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=fe1sUq4L,comment-id=00030000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-01-30T12:52:49.835+0000)
Then why would you be against a small indicator saying you're isolated?
Can literally be 1 pixel out of range of a teammate out of the 2 million pixels on the screen for a 10th of a second and you're isolated.
Kha is retardedly over powered right now and it doesn't help that there's no clarity of when he's going to do 1000 damage or 300 damage on hit. Giving time for players to reposition or rethink their position to get near a teammate.
Because that kind of indicator offers you too many ways to counter Kha'Zix. He's effectively worthless without isolation, and if you 100% of the time know when you can shit on him, he becomes an invalid.
Covert Ops Gnar1 votesBecause that kind of indicator offers you too many ways to counter Kha'Zix. He's effectively worthless without isolation, and if you 100% of the time know when you can shit on him, he becomes an invalid.
Draven becomes effectively worthless without his Q. You know 100% of the time when his Q is active.
I know how many bullets Jhin has at all times. I know 100% of the time when he is on his 4th shot and I'm full health, I can all-in him.
It's called weakness.
part of balancing champions comes with ways to actually fight against them.
Covert Ops Gnar1 votesAgain, rank has nothing to do with this. I don't play Kha'Zix, and I won't ever play him. I could be at Gold and not play Kha'Zix. You don't have to show your ass. Regardless of that little outburst, it's still common sense to know when you're isolated and when you're not. Additionally, being that this is a computer run game, calculations that have already run (as in, if he attacked you and then you become not-isolated as the attack is resolving), the damage would most likely still treat you as isolated if the minion didn't come near enough before the damage was calculated.
The check in code for isolation could be the last line before damage is dealt or it could be the first line as an init. test
completely fucking irrelevant
putting burden of knowledge of player is inherently bad game design.
what you deserve2 votesminions do count towards isolation, if you're going to spout bullshit at least read up
Oleandervine2 votesminions do count towards isolation, if you're going to spout bullshit at least read up
I actually did, and none of the official sources I found specify what triggers isolation or non-isolation.
Covert Ops Gnar1 votesI actually did, and none of the official sources I found specify what triggers isolation or non-isolation.
Literally playiing kha
B00B001 voteshow am i meant to tell from that specific image? Kha is right on top of you, I'm guessing he has pounced thus you was probably isolated? but i can't see team-mates on the map, as its such a small image.
Covert Ops Gnar1 voteshow am i meant to tell from that specific image? Kha is right on top of you, I'm guessing he has pounced thus you was probably isolated? but i can't see team-mates on the map, as its such a small image.
- mimions don't count if thats what you mean here and if that the case thats a mechanical mistake on your part.
I'm the one playing fucking kha
His teammate is on the screen
minions do fucking count along with towers because I was just playing kha
B00B001 votesok, i just checked the Kha Zix main sub-reddit and i stand corrected, minions do count, however if you are in the air and have Q'd (so its queuing up basically for when you land) it applies isolation, even if they have gotten out of range (indicator has disappeared after your jump)
can you help me understand why exactly your like this? I'm sure you know the range as a Kha player naturally is this just a QoL nerf/buff you would like?
Covert Ops Gnar1 votes
- so let me get this straight you are actually complaining about being good with his isolation mechanic? I'm now confused as to why your bothered by this, as an enemy i find it easy to dodge isolation, more so now i know minions (but not jungle ones) apply, i didn't know that and thanks for bringing it to my attention.
Literally busted as fuck champ that anybody can first-time and get fed. I don't like to play Kha, just as I don't like to play Zac because they're broken as fuck. I only pick them if I'm on a loss spree because it's impossible to lose.
BuffYasuoPls3 votesThen you would be walking around with a circle around you all the time. Possibly the isolation only shows when you have vision of Kha
Covert Ops Gnar1 votesThen you would be walking around with a circle around you all the time. Possibly the isolation only shows when you have vision of Kha
all these fucking bronze kids responding "if ur not near teammates ur isolated"
lmfao no fucking shit sherlocks.
1 pixel outside X range from teammates and you're isolated.
What you said is 100%. His win rate would drop without even touching his broken numbers if people knew if they were isolated or not.
Elite4Runner2 votesYou need an indicator to tell you when you're isolated and we're the bronze kids.
That's cute
[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]
Covert Ops Gnar1 votesI'm bronze
tell me how many units away you think isolation is from teammates bronzie
Oleandervine2 votes[{quoted}](name=Covert Ops Gnar,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=fe1sUq4L,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2017-01-30T12:34:26.686+0000)
tell me how many units away you think isolation is from teammates bronzie
If your ally is near you, you're not isolated. If your ally is off screen or at the far edge of your screen and you're at the opposite end, you are isolated. This isn't hard to comprehend. If you know a Kha'Zix is hunting you or may be hunting you, hug a tower or call your jungler to help. Seriously, this isn't rocket science. And your behavior towards people clearly shows that rank is absolutely no indication of game knowledge.
Covert Ops Gnar1 votesIf your ally is near you, you're not isolated. If your ally is off screen or at the far edge of your screen and you're at the opposite end, you are isolated. This isn't hard to comprehend. If you know a Kha'Zix is hunting you or may be hunting you, hug a tower or call your jungler to help. Seriously, this isn't rocket science. And your behavior towards people clearly shows that rank is absolutely no indication of game knowledge.
is this isolated or not
or is this isolated or not
Elite4Runner3 votesAnd btw, to answer your question. Kha's isolation range is 550 units.
Which is the most common attack range of most ranged champions.
Covert Ops Gnar1 votesAnd btw, to answer your question. Kha's isolation range is 550 units.
Which is the most common attack range of most ranged champions.
So how can I tell if I'm 551 units from my teammate? Particles Player models vs player hitboxes camera angle
that's probably 500-550 units right there. Maybe it's 1 more units than I thought because the champion flies or hovers over the ground
Elite4Runner2 votesYou know what, ... you just can't.
And if you really want to know why, it's because Riot hates you.
I'm done.
Elite4Runner1 votesI see what you did there with the little quote.
My my you're so creative.
I've played less than 20 ranked matches last season, which was my first time even trying to place, and I have actually never been Bronze, .. so .. you're wrong.
dominusx1 votesbronzies meanwhile you were a fkn silver player.... silvers are bronzies on winstreaks. if you still havent learned the isolation radius on kha after him beeing played consistently for well over 2-3 months thne you are the trash one.
Covert Ops Gnar1 votesbronzies meanwhile you were a fkn silver player.... silvers are bronzies on winstreaks. if you still havent learned the isolation radius on kha after him beeing played consistently for well over 2-3 months thne you are the trash one.
My main is Diamond 5. I am forum banned for roasting some kid. http://imgur.com/a/7uy6a
dominusx1 votes600games d5? wow are you in the lcs? please. if you are in diamond and qq about champs like kha you are either dogshit or an adc main. which is pretty much the same thing. lata bud.
Covert Ops Gnar1 votes600games d5? wow are you in the lcs? please. if you are in diamond and qq about champs like kha you are either dogshit or an adc main. which is pretty much the same thing. lata bud.
Bronze, do you not understand that Kha is at 54% win rate with 30% pick rate? Cya bronzie, stay bronze
Covert Ops Gnar1 votes600games d5? wow are you in the lcs? please. if you are in diamond and qq about champs like kha you are either dogshit or an adc main. which is pretty much the same thing. lata bud.
Wow bronze are you in the LCS?
Weathered2 votesHaving isolation appear all throughout the game, including things like clearing the jungle or walking through your base, would look a bit cluttered and confusing.
Oleandervine2 votesAdditionally, there is no indicator for enemy ranges, so you have to generally know how far Caitlyn can fire vs how far Vayne can fire. This isn't bad game design, it doesn't cause clarity problems, it's just something players come to learn. The same holds true for Kha'Zix. Maybe you should play him more and learn how he works before calling for a witch hunt because you got tilted.
Covert Ops Gnar1 votesAdditionally, there is no indicator for enemy ranges, so you have to generally know how far Caitlyn can fire vs how far Vayne can fire. This isn't bad game design, it doesn't cause clarity problems, it's just something players come to learn. The same holds true for Kha'Zix. Maybe you should play him more and learn how he works before calling for a witch hunt because you got tilted.
You can physically see the range they are shooting at lmfao.
Kha is deals damage if 550 units from teammates, deals more damage is 551 units from teammates
I have played kha zix
he's been broken as fuck since his rework
sobi9992 votesThe community in this forum is kinda hypocritical. They know you're right but they don't accept it because they dislike that you are moaning in your thread. If you just said i think khaz should have more counterplay to him thinking how other assassins like talon have, for a healthy gameplay. You would have seen the difference in comments. Since you're in diamond you know alot more than i do and i agree that there should be a counter to his outburst, i mean asking for counterplay is not saying gutting a champ which people are completely and utterly neglecting here. You want to get better and you want ways to do so and i respect that. Don't bother with the as.s hole community too much.
Covert Ops Gnar1 votesThe community in this forum is kinda hypocritical. They know you're right but they don't accept it because they dislike that you are moaning in your thread. If you just said i think khaz should have more counterplay to him thinking how other assassins like talon have, for a healthy gameplay. You would have seen the difference in comments. Since you're in diamond you know alot more than i do and i agree that there should be a counter to his outburst, i mean asking for counterplay is not saying gutting a champ which people are completely and utterly neglecting here. You want to get better and you want ways to do so and i respect that. Don't bother with the as.s hole community too much.
Yeah.
If you've read what they said it's stupid shit like "common sense if you're not near a teammate than you're isolated" If the indicator that somebody's isolated is just being near somebody, then why does Kha get a circle around you for an indicator? If he has an indicator saying he'll do 5x more damage, why don't the enemies get to know?
These people are so stupid. The forums is 99% bronze/silver so I wouldn't expect anything more from them than this.
My Names Gumbas1 votesThe point of assassin's is to jump on you when you least expect it/When you're most vulnerable AKA when you have no one to help you out, kha'zix basiclly takes it to the next level so having a warning mark (seeing isolation when his near) will destroy the whole point of him being an assassin.
Rengar can leap from 30s long stealth and destroy you, Zed and ekko can blink to you and destroy you, Kha'zix forces you to be a bitch and stick to your teamates and if you will be a bitch you wont get destroyed. Simple as that.
Covert Ops Gnar1 votesThe point of assassin's is to jump on you when you least expect it/When you're most vulnerable AKA when you have no one to help you out, kha'zix basiclly takes it to the next level so having a warning mark (seeing isolation when his near) will destroy the whole point of him being an assassin.
Rengar can leap from 30s long stealth and destroy you, Zed and ekko can blink to you and destroy you, Kha'zix forces you to be a bitch and stick to your teamates and if you will be a bitch you wont get destroyed. Simple as that.
Rengar gives indication of where he is using hot-cold and isnt invisible. Zed has to land skillshots, doesn't instant nuke kids by tapping q, and doesn't kill from stealth. You can see ekko and walk away lmfao.
Kha can jump to you from stealth and push a 1 second cooldown, point and click ability for 1000 damage