Black cleaver costing 3500 gold is way overboard

IsIsGankedParis·Oct 29, 2015·36 votes·1,665 views

I mean 3200 gold cost sure, but 3500 while nerfing the health it gives is way overboard.

People who bought it would rather have more health than AD.

Trinity force is a better rush it seems.

18 Comments

Shrapnel ShrapOct 30, 20155 votes

Look at hourglass: It's loosing 15 AP, 5 armor, and is costing 200 gold more. Yet ad champs get more armor pen items...

FantasySniperOct 30, 20154 votes

Actually, no, this is good. It forces it on champs that are living off of a lot of gold instead of your average high-stat bruiser. It's also now the only % arm.pen. item ideal for assassins. But there's also rumors they're increasing the global gold count anyways.

Big LincolnOct 30, 20153 votes

assassins didnt build cleaver to begin with

it's worse for bruisers despite it being an item for bruisers

FantasySniperOct 30, 20152 votes

Zed and Kha'Zix are known to build it. Then there's the assassin builds for people like J4, Vi, or Noc.

AATTRROOXXOct 30, 20153 votes

they're increasing gold generation in most scenarios, also please think about what you are typing by noticing that nothing is final yet.

Left Hook LarryOct 30, 20152 votes

He's giving feedback, which is allowed kid

NoBootsAllowedOct 29, 20151 votes

riot want to force us to buy cleaver cause they gut other cdr items like cdr boots and cdr from masteries

NoBootsAllowedOct 29, 20151 votes

but i like the build path now for riven cause u buy phage and the new bruta thing wich gives 25 ad 10 cdr and the build path doesnt suck for riven anymore... atm its like u waste your whole money for health until cleaver is finished

Red RyuOct 29, 20151 votes

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I mean 3200 gold cost sure, but 3500 while nerfing the health it gives is way overboard.

People who bought it would rather have more health than AD.

Trinity force is a better rush it seems.

Garen Darius

DormidonOct 30, 20151 votes

This item will be better for Riven which is bad. Better path build, more damage. Preseason tanks/bruisers will be even more dead. I can't see buff for Thornmail/FH/Omen.

Old Man TeetoOct 30, 20151 votes

Something something... gold is faster in Season 6... something something.

xFrostKnightxOct 30, 20151 votes

Actually no. Minion's are the same. Cull only grants 200G (made back with passive) extra once you sell it back, Support items give the same amount of gold except for Relic which overall gains 2G/10s which is 120G at 10minutes (yes the coin tree still has the same G per minute if you stay in lane but punishes roaming).

The only Gold is faster is Jungle and Relic shield. How exactly does this help Mid/Top/Adc get more gold?

Where is this "Gold is faster" math that you did?

AP, Tanks items got nerfed with no compensation, with items released to help kill Tanks faster and make AP deal less damage. At the same time. ADC items gained more value and being the role with the most gold they get more Gold efficiency per slot now.

Also the rumor of more Global gold Per second isn't true.

Hello I am BirdOct 30, 20151 votes

That's the excuse everyone was making. Don't take it as face value.

SiG DxDOct 30, 20151 votes

rip garen

Blades of NavoriOct 30, 20151 votes

Ah now you know the pain of the mages

Cloud PotatoOct 30, 20151 votes

Might have something to do with a significant majority of melee AD champions finding themselves buying it every game along with Tiamat. And no, it's not because they have too little defensive items to choose from. That would be stupid.