its stupid the second you engage on him he jumps over 3 fucking walls because his e cd is so low, i get that the walls have cds but personally i think he should just get the one wall as his fast escape, getting into a bad spot with him is way too forgiving because he can hop wall after wall in rows, give it like a 5 sec cd between walls in combat
TrapsYummy12 votesit has a cd?
forist6 votesNope, that's a skill that is 100% utility and doesn't need any nerfs. Can you name any other skill more basic in application than talon's assassin's path? It does one thing and one thing only, and you want to restrict it even more than it already is? lmao xD
Compare it to Camille's hookshot which is capable of: dashing to any wall, going over walls, stunning a target, doing damage, and gaining attack speed all on one ability. 5 different effects on one ability v.s. one ability that has one effect and you want to nerf talon e? lol troll post.
edit: I'm going to sleep now. Someone else with a brain defend me from the massive shitstorm im going to receive for this unpopular opinion.
Bisaknosp6 voteshaha thats their new design for champs make a mistake? no problem bud most assassins and bruisers (esp newer and or reworked ones) are so forgiving its a joke you can fuck up and still kill your enemy like its nothing pathetic
Reaper Claws1 votesForgiving is the last thing assassins are during late game team fights, stop playing.
Poske4 votesI disagree
If anything talon needs to jump over walls faster later in a game Before he dies while he is mid parkour in todays game
Sir Prepuzius3 votestalon is pretty much broken but people are too busy riding the nerf-champions-with-42%-winrate train to notice really, his E makes him the easiest assassin to play: exceptional burst, great poke, waveclear, free escape with no CC.. but ok.
Shaydrox12 votes"great poke" have you even played this champion? lmao
Sir Prepuzius2 voteslmao his W hits twice has slow effect, is wide and has big range furthermore you can reposition to make it hit the second time lmao i wouldn't say he has no poke lmao compared to a fizz for instance at least lmao he has a ranged lmao poke lmao
nm10101 votesI haven’t looked at the exact numbers in a while, but I’m pretty sure his w is ~600 range with a decent Cooldown. That is the same as some champions auto attack range, and much shorter than many other harass abilities in mid lane.
His all in is great and he can harass melee champions, but to say he has anything other than mediocre harass against ranged is a blatant lie.
Sir Prepuzius1 votesfair enough, his poke isn't great, but not the worst either (katarina, fizz)
Votable Jester2 votesYou do know you don't have to stand in the second W, right?
l love Ahri1 votes[{quoted}](name=Sir Prepuzius,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=fXvE6EKT,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2018-12-21T10:26:36.513+0000)
talon is pretty much broken but people are too busy riding the nerf-champions-with-42%-winrate train to notice really, his E makes him the easiest assassin to play: exceptional burst, great poke, waveclear, free escape with no CC.. but ok.
Talon "great poke" ????????
Which ability makes him a great poker? His W?
His W:
Poke champions have abilities that are:
Shaydrox3 votesHonestly that would just kill him I understand frustration against this ability but comparing Talon's mobility to other assassins he's far less mobile in combat already, and Riot even gave him low base movement speed so he wouldn't be fast in combat. The restriction of only being able to jump over walls makes it ways less easy to use than a LeBlanc W or Kass R, it's also a jump which allows people to still hit him while he's doing it. Because of these downsides he's allowed to potentially jump all over the map in record time yeah.
l love Ahri3 votesThat would kill him. As much as we hate his safe escapes, he really needs it up at all times or else he would be shit and dead.
PlsBuffMyMain2 votesSo you're basically saying remove Talon from the game. Jumping over walls is Talon's niche, the same way bushes is Rengar's niche. Talon doesn't have much mobility for an assassin without his E.
Ranmaru5 votesSo you're basically saying remove Talon from the game. Jumping over walls is Talon's niche, the same way bushes is Rengar's niche. Talon doesn't have much mobility for an assassin without his E.
his niche is that he can jump over walls to gank faster. Hes a roamer. He said should be in COMBAT no way talon needs to jump over 5 walls to be viable
Fire Blaustoise1 votesthis topic show why lower elos shouldnt talk about balance.
When you want a change here, its to kill the champion not balancing him. This isnt how riot should address their champ (they shouldnt gut their champ)
Dr Dog2 votesmaking him actually have risk in lane without a free ticket to hop over half the map and get away to make up for how lane dominant he is is gutting? lol
Fire Blaustoise1 votesHe's not so dominating during laning phase, you just cheese bad player with lv2 + ignite... but when you climb its unreliable.
Talon mains build tiamat too avoid the laning, cause his laning is okay at most(unless against melee).
the only nerf talon recquire is another nerf on tiamat. But at your level talon isnt even good (in high elo he's OP due to priority).
Gilgayu1 votesTalon's e has around the cd of Yasuo's e They do roughly the same things, and both apply cd to units they dashed/jumped over...
Funny how almost no one complain about talon's design despite how often he roams and how impactful he is (I'd say even sol or TF's level). He is a okay champion, and he needs to land both parts of his w to have a decent early game. He is seriously okay for an assassin, he doesn't even have hard cc.
Dr Dog1 votestalon isnt op i think hes balanced, but he shouldnt be so lane dominant on top of being so safe, he escapes too easy when you chase him because his e has a low cd that isnt affected by whether or not hes in combat
Gilgayu1 votesI never said he is op... I said "okay"
Assassins always have some way to escape, and talon top lane isn't the wisest considering how many top laners can smash talon. Lissandra can win against talon top lane Ornn also can, just because of his high base damage and tankiness If Darius can land his e on him, talon is basically dead. Most brusiers can kill assassins unless they are super fed.
Dr Dog1 votestalon top is just bad in general lol, and ya i never said you said he was op i was just throwing it out there that i dont think he is
Andevar1 votesI guess the fact that he's probably the squishiest and the most ult reliant of all the assassins means nothing. Or how any type of CC that hits him is almost always a guarantee kill. Oh well. Let's complain some more, no?
Let's also forget that the walls he jump are on cooldown for at least 2 minutes, probably more. It's not like him jumping them has no consequence.