Tahm kench is ruining top lane
Champ build full tank and outdamages Fiora and Jax. Just give this guy a full rework already.
Champ build full tank and outdamages Fiora and Jax. Just give this guy a full rework already.
In order for Kench to get anywhere near that level of damage, he has to 3 stack on you and drop the W.
That W has a long af cooldown, and if Tahm is 3-stacking you consistently to the point he's outdamaging you on Fiora (who can deal similar %hp true damage from just proccing her passive 2-3x, not including all the regular damage that comes with that) or Jax (who can literally dodge his autos to ensure Tahm can't 3-stack during trades), then I'd have to say it's poor positioning.
In order for Kench to get anywhere near that level of damage, he has to 3 stack on you and drop the W.
That W has a long af cooldown, and if Tahm is 3-stacking you consistently to the point he's outdamaging you on Fiora (who can deal similar %hp true damage from just proccing her passive 2-3x, not including all the regular damage that comes with that) or Jax (who can literally dodge his autos to ensure Tahm can't 3-stack during trades), then I'd have to say it's poor positioning.
The problem is he can do this while building full tank. If he wants damage he should build damage but be squishy not tanky.
In order for Kench to get anywhere near that level of damage, he has to 3 stack on you and drop the W.
That W has a long af cooldown, and if Tahm is 3-stacking you consistently to the point he's outdamaging you on Fiora (who can deal similar %hp true damage from just proccing her passive 2-3x, not including all the regular damage that comes with that) or Jax (who can literally dodge his autos to ensure Tahm can't 3-stack during trades), then I'd have to say it's poor positioning.
Also Fiora can deny his whole W, if she is smart....
Tahm gets a lot of base damage from his kit - q, w, and passive. His w is only on a 10 sec cd if used on an enemy. His q applies a stack of his passive, so it's more like aa, q to slow enemy and get another stack, aa, w.
He actually beats most bruisers and fighters until they get 1 or more items in laning phase.
If you were around long enough, perhaps you recall a "tank meta" where maokai could go sunfire and frozen gauntlet, jump on an adc and smack them around like he was some burst mage - killing them from full hp by the time he'd done his second q, and take no damage from adc or the tower they were hiding under while being shielded by their support. It was awful and completely unfair for adc's, which is why we saw adc's and bruisers buffed and tanks nerfed to be more focused on their defensive capabilities. When kench gets out of hand with overbuffing him, he treats melee toplaners like maokai treated that adc.
The problem isn't his durability... it's his crazy high base damage with minimal-to-no skill required in combination with said durability. And the fact it is spammable because it costs no mana. Maokai does less damage with his kit. Malphite could build ap bruiser and match kench's damage perhaps, but he'd sacrifice durability... and malphite can't spam his abilities the way kench can or he'll go oom much sooner.
If you beat a kench as a melee before you get any items, chances are you had help or he's really bad - not simply because you're good.
I'm well aware of the tank meta, I was the asshole spamming Sejuani through about 80% of it. I also played quite a lot of Kench on my main.
Champion.gg literally doesn't even have enough data on him in solo queue to even compile an actual chart for him, he's that underplayed. Fiora and Jax, the two people OP specifically called out for the sake of this argument, are two of his absolute worst matchups, in the fact that if you're not playing like you're iron 74, Kench literally cannot W you. In Fiora's case in particular, you outdamage the hell out of him with your passive, Riposte the W, and autowin. You don't even have to be good with your positioning in that matchup, you just need to time the riposte. Literally the only champions more annoying for Kench to fight than Fiora are Teemo and Vayne.
This is far from tank meta. I'd argue right now the current meta is sitting between marksmen vs assassins, and everyone else is just kind of there. Kench is no exception: he doesn't really have a way to do anything against either of those groups unless they position extremely poorly. Kench really only excels in a solo lane vs other tanks or juggernauts now, since they gutted his support abilities because of pro play.