About the Jax nerds on pbe

Soul Dealer·Jan 17, 2019·31 votes·15,194 views

I think they are going the wrong direction with them in all honesty. I still believe that conquer is the problem and not Jax himself but since conquer is not being nerfed I have another idea. Instead of nerfing his base ad and his q damage just nerf the cd of his q instead. Jax being able to jump on people with a short cd at early ranks is the problem, not the damage or his base ad. If he can’t jump on people it jump away as much then there will be more clear windows in which to deal with him.

Edit: while were at it can we also fix the issue on the godstaff jax skin where the animation for his stun is bigger then the actual hitbox

62 Comments

ØrnnToGetTrolleÐJan 17, 201928 votes

Jax is such a nerd...

Soul DealerJan 17, 20196 votes

Lol yeah I hate autocorrect sometimes

LeftyRaydyJan 17, 20191 votes

LOL damn Jax Nerds ruin everything!

Killer of Night9Jan 17, 20199 votes

If item 3508 Essence flare will still be in the game nerfing jax Cd wouldn't do that much.

kile147Jan 17, 20192 votes

He said being able to jump on low cooldown at early ranks. Presumably the nerf would be intended for early game, when Jax doesn't have ER.

ExpStealerJan 17, 20197 votes

Jax nerds Jax nerds NERDS

[sg-miss-fortune]

Iźuku MidoriyaJan 17, 20192 votes

i woke up after napping and didnt realize it said that. Omg gave me a smile when i went back to check

Dr DogJan 17, 20195 votes

his jump needs a range reduction and a a bigger cd timer like its really not hard to nerf him correctly

Soul DealerJan 17, 201912 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dr Dog,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=13a3dFUQ,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-01-17T10:44:20.497+0000)

his jump needs a range reduction and a a bigger cd timer like its really not hard to nerf him correctly

It doesn’t need a range reduction. I can’t even count how many times where I was just barley short of being able to jump in an enemy. The range is fine it’s the cd that’s not.

John McJohnfaceJan 17, 20197 votes

Jax's leap strike is longer than all adc dashes, kled's pull and as long as vi's fully charged q, both of those are skillshots too whereas Jax can just walk up and click. Since Jax players often combo q with e he essentially has a 700 range stun gap closer. Nerf the range so he can't smash your face in from behind his minion wave.

KoertyJan 24, 20191 votes

[{quoted}](name=John McJohnface,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=13a3dFUQ,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-01-17T12:16:14.633+0000)

Jax's leap strike is longer than all adc dashes, kled's pull and as long as vi's fully charged q, both of those are skillshots too whereas Jax can just walk up and click. Since Jax players often combo q with e he essentially has a 700 range stun gap closer. Nerf the range so he can't smash your face in from behind his minion wave.

Kled got 2 fixed range dashes (so he can go behind his target), a huge movement speed boost thanks to his ultimate, have a rope that pull people to him and slow them for 60% at rank 5.

How are you even comparing the mobility of this 2 champs with only one ability. That's stupid.

Dr DogJan 17, 20193 votes

the range isnt fine and this is coming from someone who plays ax often, no reason a point and click gap closer needs to be 700 units it can stand for a reduction to around 630 units

Soul DealerJan 17, 20194 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dr Dog,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=13a3dFUQ,comment-id=000000000001,timestamp=2019-01-17T14:35:27.961+0000)

the range isnt fine and this is coming from someone who plays ax often, no reason a point and click gap closer needs to be 700 units it can stand for a reduction to around 630 units

I main Jax and trust me he does not need a range reduction. That would kill him. It’s alrwsdy cancer to play top lane against a ranged champion I don’t want to have exactly 0 tools to help me if his q gets a range nerf

Dr DogJan 17, 20195 votes

most top laners SHOULD win lane against him thats the issue, he isnt bad at any stage of the game and its not healthy

Soul DealerJan 17, 20192 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dr Dog,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=13a3dFUQ,comment-id=00000000000100000000,timestamp=2019-01-17T15:04:17.567+0000)

most top laners SHOULD win lane against him thats the issue, he isnt bad at any stage of the game and its not healthy

That’s not true though. As reliant to planet like Irelia, Yasuo , and morde should lose to him. Plea t if champs beat him top. Darius, Illaoi, Garen, and any ranger to planet beat him

InfernapeJan 17, 20193 votes

Jax is a champion that is item reliant but is also statistically speaking, a powerhouse early. Jax doesn't fall off late, he continues to scale. That is what Dr Dog is talking about. Jax's win rate generally increases the longer a game goes on for.

He either has late game scaling but a weak early game, or he has a strong early game and a weak late game. He cannot have both.

It doesn't help that Conqueror exacerbates his problems.

WolfAchillesJan 17, 20191 votes

Jax is meant to be among the strongest scaling melee champions. Conqueror suits that. It doesn't really do much early but its scaling is nutty. His dueling is a bit too strong imo (i'm a trynd main and i think Jax shouldn't have both stronger split push and teamfight in the late game) and that can be targetted by nerfing his e cd. Essence reaver is 100% broken on him and the passive on that item should be removed because it is bad for the game. With trinity force components and tiamat, he is a bit too strong too early. When he hits two items, jax becomes straight broken. Either remove essence reaver or nerf Jax across the board. IMO: Jax should go even with or come out slightly ahead of Tryndamere in lane, but should lose to most mid game fighters (Camille, Aatrox, etc.) He should lose pretty hard to lane bullies like darius, renekton, and illaoi. When he plays against tanks like Sion and Ornn, they should have to land abilities to beat him. (autoing you to death with grasp procs on sion if you miss q is stupid)

Soul DealerJan 17, 20191 votes

100% agree

3TWarriorJan 18, 20191 votes

doesn't he have a weak mid game and little to offer to team fights for those very reasons?

GayFluffyUnicornJan 18, 20191 votes

And most toplane champions do win lane against him.

Ofc not if you do the walk and AA into his counterstrike special.

DragonapocalypseJan 18, 20191 votes

so like every other melee, into range matchup then?

4th3t0sJan 18, 20194 votes

https://media.giphy.com/media/OMK7LRBedcnhm/giphy.gif

The EcdysiastJan 17, 20193 votes

Well you're wrong. Not saying this from my opinion, but the fact is Conqueror can't be the problem because...

Jax isn't taking Conqueror. Jax is the problem, not any rune.

Soul DealerJan 17, 20195 votes

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Well you're wrong. Not saying this from my opinion, but the fact is Conqueror can't be the problem because...

Jax isn't taking Conqueror. Jax is the problem, not any rune.

Ok what is he taking then. I main Jax and when I’m top in take conquer and jg I take pta. Generally I have a higher win rate top then jg so.

The EcdysiastJan 17, 20191 votes

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Ok what is he taking then. I main Jax and when I’m top in take conquer and jg I take pta. Generally I have a higher win rate top then jg so.

Your personal experience, taking the wrong rune, has no bearing on what people are taking overall. They'r taking PTA top and jungle.

Evidently, you'd probably have an even better win rate with the right rune at top.

Edit: When I checked, op.gg showed PTA for both top and jungle. So that's a solid mb.

But still, without also showing that other champions are overperforming with conqueror, you can't make the claim that it's the rune and not Jax.

JhinuinelyDunkJan 17, 20194 votes

? Pta jax top sucks ass on jax top lol

Z3SleeperJan 18, 20192 votes

You're dead wrong bucko. PtA is for jungle since he can't stack up Conq before ganking.

Top lane is almost always Conq. The only time it isn't is when people are using Hail of Blades which only started popping up this patch.

The EcdysiastJan 18, 20191 votes

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You're dead wrong bucko. PtA is for jungle since he can't stack up Conq before ganking.

Top lane is almost always Conq. The only time it isn't is when people are using Hail of Blades which only started popping up this patch.

Yeah, it was different when I first checked.

AyzevJan 17, 20194 votes

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Jax isn't taking Conqueror.

https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/champion/Jax/ 60% Conqueror pick rate

FTGloryJan 17, 20192 votes

PTA for JUNGLE Jax Sir.

AyzevJan 18, 20191 votes

Not what DeceasedL0ved0ne said, Sir

NamiaaJan 17, 20192 votes

That's why pro player take Conquerer or Hail of Blades...

source: probuilds

The EcdysiastJan 18, 20191 votes

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That's why pro player take Conquerer or Hail of Blades...

source: probuilds

That's a solid mb. Op.gg had PTA for both a couple days ago.

That said, it still isn't the rune at fault if only Jax is overpowered with it.

Soul DealerJan 18, 20192 votes

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That's a solid mb. Op.gg had PTA for both a couple days ago.

That said, it still isn't the rune at fault if only Jax is overpowered with it.

Jax isn’t the only one who abuses conq though.

The EcdysiastJan 18, 20191 votes

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Jax isn’t the only one who abuses conq though.

So provide that evidence.

John McJohnfaceJan 17, 20193 votes

I think jax's problem is the bruiser itemization that makes cdr too easy to obtain item 3508 : 20% cdr item 3071 : 20% cdr item 3078 : 20% cdr I just wish Jax and other champions who need cdr actually had to invest in it, rather than just getting it for free without losing out on any other stat

Soul DealerJan 17, 20194 votes

[{quoted}](name=John McJohnface,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=13a3dFUQ,comment-id=0006,timestamp=2019-01-17T12:21:30.094+0000)

I think jax's problem is the bruiser itemization that makes cdr too easy to obtain : 20% cdr : 20% cdr : 20% cdr I just wish Jax and other champions who need cdr actually had to invest in it, rather than just getting it for free without losing out on any other stat

Well trinity is the most expansive item in the game. And Jax doesn’t build black cleaver

ZackTheWaffleManJan 17, 20192 votes

Even though you probably meant to type expensive, saying that trinity is the most expansive item in the game is probably true lol

kile147Jan 17, 20191 votes

item 4403 Nah, the Stat-Stick is definitely more expansive. Also it's hilarious to build on Jax.

ZackTheWaffleManJan 17, 20192 votes

try it on kai'sa lol

AlzonJan 17, 20191 votes

Blitzcrank item 3111 item 4402 item 4403 😤😤😤😤

Frog goes mooJan 17, 20193 votes

Conqueror is a problem, but jax also is a problem as well. His counterstrike ability is just too strong of a mechanic. Also he can build full bruiser and then turn into a tank with a click of a button. Secondly, though alot of jax's do take conqueror, many in higher elos actually take press the attack.

Also, he's too strong for how easy he is as a champ and how well he's able to 1v9. Though "he's a late game champ" his stats don't show that. It shows that he's above average both early and mid and then turns into a late game monster despite his already good early-mid performance.

A Beard For AllJan 17, 20192 votes

I like that idea. I don't find him hard to fight but that is a great idea

PaffWasTakenJan 18, 20192 votes

Honestly, I wouldn't really care about Jax even if he would still do that much damage, the real thing that would make him acceptable for me (and for a lot of other people I believe) would be to give him some sort of limit to his damage mitigation. Cooldowns are so short nowadays that he can use in every fights his ult and at some point in the game he can basically counter strike thrice per teamfights. If he could keep the same kind of weakness he has when we are at laning phase, where if he messes up his counterstrike he is basically dead, he could be actually manageable at some point. But this means Riot would have to nerf his cooldowns and/or CDR from the itemisation (which would also be good because of all the problems it caused by being powercrept over the years) which Riot will probably never do.

GigglesOJan 18, 20192 votes

Until you see the jax players without conqueror doing fine.

DracocrashJan 18, 20191 votes

In reality hes good because of his dodge. His dodge makes him tankier than tanks in this meta, with the amount of auto attack damage it can negate.

Soul DealerJan 18, 20191 votes

let’s not nerf the range of Jax q until we deal with the monstrosity that is pantheon w. A point and click jump that does damage and stuns is not okay what so ever. Jax q is fine compared to that ability

HommeGoujonJan 18, 20191 votes

Nerds will be nerds

FSRERJan 18, 20191 votes

And now jaxs pickrate will fall again and because of that they will buff him again. The endless circle of League continues, they will nerf and then buff.