Can we stop handing free crits to champions?

LegitBacon66·Mar 17, 2017·8 votes·1,204 views

Ok ok i get Jhin revolves around crit (he still builds lethality lmao) but why do Fiora, Shaco, Talon, and Rengar just get free crits handed to them?

25 Comments

SalronMar 17, 20177 votes

Talon rarely gets IE As far as your post is concerned, his Q could just be reworded to "extra damage in melee range"

RalanrMar 17, 20171 votes

Yeah I'm not sure why they made it a "crit".

SalronMar 17, 20174 votes

Probably to promote Randuins as a counter buy And like I said if Talon really wanted to he could go IE

The Sword SaintMar 17, 20171 votes

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Yeah I'm not sure why they made it a "crit".

Because it has a different and more impressive damage number pop up, your champion does a different animation when critting, and all in all it feels more special and cool to do a crit on a champ that doesn't normally crit than it would feel to just do more damage but not count as a crit.

ToastersaotMar 17, 20171 votes

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Talon rarely gets IE As far as your post is concerned, his Q could just be reworded to "extra damage in melee range"

Yes, but I think (I'm not 100% about this) the damage gets reduced by item 3143 . I think this also goes for Vladimir Crimson Rush Q as well, even though it is magic damage.

SalronMar 17, 20171 votes

Correct

ToastersaotMar 17, 20175 votes

I would rather have guaranteed crits from Fiora and Talon than someone like Draven landing one auto with his build looking like this: item 3153 item 3072 item 3142 item 3031 and killing me one shot with a 1K crit or Gangplank landing one barrel when his build looks like this item 3078 item 3814 item 3147 killing me with a lucky barrel crit.

I just really dislike the RNG element of crit, and I frankly would be fine with more guaranteed crits in champion kits if we could change the RNG of normal crits.

Mecha MaIphiteMar 17, 20173 votes

I've always thought of it more as bonus damage on an auto/ability.

Big LincolnMar 17, 20173 votes

Shaco's isn't "handed" to him though, he has to actually work for it

and he's always had it.

and it does less damage than a normal crit anyway

KETSU0Mar 17, 20172 votes

their crits make them assassins, without it they would be glorified ad mages or bruisers.

TheHappyReaperzMar 17, 20172 votes

Fiora's is just an enhanced AA, Shaco's is part of his sneak around and stab you in the back theme, Talon has his so people don't just dash everywhere, and Rengar has his so he can deal damage.

Xion MoonrayMar 17, 20172 votes

I'd rather have any of them than Mr. "I get free double crit chance because reasons." Yasuo

At least those champions have conditions or cooldowns to their guaranteed crits.

DJ LucioMar 17, 20173 votes

Think about how useless Yasuo would be without the double crit chance

His kit revolves around him criting and doing damage

He's an ADC

Asayake 5150glowMar 17, 20171 votes

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Think about how useless Yasuo would be without the double crit chance

His kit revolves around him criting and doing damage

He's an ADC

It's basically just conditional extra damage.

AhristocatsMar 17, 20172 votes

shaco doesn't get crit

DryditchMar 17, 20171 votes

first auto after q crits

AhristocatsMar 17, 20172 votes

read the rework LMFAO

DryditchMar 17, 20171 votes

oh, did they take that away?

I pay so little attention to shaco these days I didn't even notice.

Edit: http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Shaco Shaco's basic attacks and Deceive critically strike for 120 - 145 (based on level)% AD when hitting enemies from behind (increased to 200% AD against monsters)

AhristocatsMar 17, 20171 votes

that's not his old crit his old crit gave him 220% bonus ad

this is his new passive, and they made it a crit instead of %bonus ad, so if shaco buys crit it ignores critical strike as it already crit so he can't get 250% bonus damage from IE

did you get it? you got tricked by riot if you don't believe me read the explination by riot, they said it wouldn't interact with basic crit

The Sword SaintMar 17, 20172 votes

On Champions Getting 'Free x'

Tychusfindlay919Mar 17, 20171 votes

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On Champions Getting 'Free x'

Stop linking dead shitposts.

The Sword SaintMar 17, 20172 votes

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Stop linking dead shitposts.

Lol. They aren't shitposts, they are essays I write and collect in one place so that I don't have to rehash the same information every time it comes up.

Troy242621Mar 17, 20171 votes

Rito goes through stages. 3 hit passives, % max hp damage, mobility, etc.

Integrated crits are just their newest flavor.

Arcus DiabolusMar 17, 20171 votes

I would argue Talon needs it. Pre 6, he only has two abilities for any kind of assassination, with his W being more of a poke, and its not like he can get the crit whenever he wants. Against a ranged champ, he'll rarely get it without burning flash, and against melee he's looking at getting punished for it, since he isn't great in a brawl.

I dunno. A simple damage boost would work just as well, I suppose.