@RiotRepertoir please keep it up

Sasogwa··94 votes·5,887 views

Repertoir's been really active recently and it is nice to have him communicate a lot with the boards, and I saw he also went on some streams (well at least Cowsep's (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XO21QlBcA20) to discuss to mains about the state of champions.

It is extremely nice to see a real communication being established with the community to discuss balance, and it would be sad to see it go.

What I mean, is that already happened a few years ago (two, three years?). Repertoir was there on gameplay answering pretty much everything and doing insane work. If you don't believe me, there's some old threads even talking about it (sadly i can't see the number of upvotes anymore, but it was above 100, maybe even 200) : https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/A55xNotP-i-think-we-should-nerf-repertoir

Now I understand he can't be a literal god 24/7, but at least keeping a bit of contact with the community and not disappear like before to reappear a few years later would be great x)

Anyway... Thank you, keep it up !

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Ahristocats19 votes

He's not the only one, Maple nectar and jinxylord also do this

the ones who need to learn from that are recklessabandon and fearless

Teridax6815 votes

I'd say there are more on the team who could communicate better (CertainlyT, for example, I don't think communicates at all, and Cactopus I think has had times where he's flat-out done more harm than good), but I fully agree that there are also several Rioters who are doing a great job already, including many more than the ones cited above, and who deserve to be commended.

Personally, my problem with Riot's communications in recent times is that, oftentimes, Riot's idea of communication has come down to talking at the players, rather than with them. We get neatly wrapped dev blogs and occasional video clips where a Rioter basically monologues the whole time, or talks only with other Rioters, and once those things are posted, no comment given on those spaces really generates further official discussion. Even on Meddler's Quick Gameplay Thoughts, where he engages in the comments, player concerns may get a response, but practically never influence the actual development process. In general, the whole procedure feels set in stone, so we're only learning about what will happen, instead of being able to impact on that.

This is where RiotRepertoir's recent posts come in, because even though the broad lines of certain projects are fixed, players on the Boards are being proactively asked by the developers for feedback and suggestions, which have a genuine chance of affecting the final product. Jinxylord did this with the Rengar revert, which is why it turned out so successful. Because we are being invited to participate in the development process, rather than just told of a feature after all of the decisions have been made, we as a community feel empowered, and are therefore much more disposed to give constructive feedback. Because we are also being placed on an equal, mutually beneficial relationship with the development team, that relationship also translates to mutual respect for most players who participate, which in turns generates much better appreciation for Riot. Because we also have to grapple with the inherent difficulty in coming up with a workable solution to a problem, and even identifying and defining problems in the first place, we also get to appreciate the work Riot does much more, and are therefore less likely to dismiss Rioters and their work.

If there is one criticism I have of this, it's that so far this kind of enriching, two-way discussion has only been sporadic, when in practice it should be happening all the time. So far, we only get this kind of communication from some Rioters, who only get to do so when they're not knee-deep in other work. As such, while things are going really well now, they may be much less likely to do the same once Repertoir or Jinxylord have to pull back due to other commitments. In this respect, Riot really needs to work on making this kind of communications a proper, fully-fledged system, one where Rioters are scheduled to communicate with players and invite them on design work on a regular basis, rotating as some members of the team enter or leave other important projects in order to render these communications consistent. I feel we're already experiencing significantly positive returns from this current bout of good communications, and continuing on this good trend could permanently change League, the Boards and the entire player community for the better.

RocketRelm8 votes

To be fair, I can't blame CertainlyT for not communicating. Hating him has basically ascended to Meme Status, and I can't imagine him posting on the boards without getting flamed for being who he is. He knows this too, so he doesn't.

Should he? Probably, but I get why he's reluctant.

Riotplaytestpenguin24 votes

If there is one criticism I have of this, it's that so far this kind of enriching, two-way discussion has only been sporadic, when in practice it should be happening all the time. So far, we only get this kind of communication from some Rioters, who only get to do so when they're not knee-deep in other work. As such, while things are going really well now, they may be much less likely to do the same once Repertoir or Jinxylord have to pull back due to other commitments. In this respect, Riot really needs to work on making this kind of communications a proper, fully-fledged system, one where Rioters are scheduled to communicate with players and invite them on design work on a regular basis, rotating as some members of the team enter or leave other important projects in order to render these communications consistent. I feel we're already experiencing significantly positive returns from this current bout of good communications, and continuing on this good trend could permanently change League, the Boards and the entire player community for the better.

(Hopefully this large last paragraph all quotes at once...)

Friendly plug for Playtest's patch chat. It occurs every Wednesday after a new patch in the Dev Corner, and we have a good amount more free time than game designers to discuss things, and also bring up player concerns to designers. I brought up Ahri with Live Gameplay as a result of hearing constant player pains there, as well as Zyra solo laning changes a while back.

Papa Andrei3 votes

Can we get a link to where this is? Or even a pinned thread with it in the Gameplay section would be neat! Literally never knew bout this.

NineTailedMystic2 votes

How do you feel between the two sets of Ahri changes. Personally, I'm vehemently against the R changes and would rather go for the set of changes with the E amp.

Riotplaytestpenguin10 votes

I disliked the Xerath R model for Ahri R personally, as I don't believe her playerbase really wants a "farm to 16 in a side lane" type of playstyle (as by that point in the game I typically feel like I'm kinda weak as Ahri, and sending that message to players that their most epic moment comes at 16 felt off to me on a character who I believe to want to skirmish/snowball)

I vastly preferred the first set of changes, and am pretty happy with the latest list Rick tweeted out.

NineTailedMystic1 votes

I really agree with you. The 2nd set of changes really push her into this teamfighting, divey sort of champion and I think would lead her into a lot more tankier build and becoming a battle mage similar to Vlad or Ryze, rather than a squishy burster/kiter that she was intended to be. Not to mention, the changes would really tank her 1v1 potential.

Just saw the new list and I think it's great, if not overtuned. I'm not sure she needs to gain 5% AP total since she's getting the E amp and the R CDR per hit even if she's losing 80 base damage between E and R. I'd personally go with either +10% on W or +5% per R charge, but then again I'd rather under tune her than over tune her for the time being considering how controversial she can be.

Sp33d Zer01 votes

I'm not really an ahri main anymore but I really loved the R changes. I think that the changes for r do a much better job of giving her a punishment for using it defensively. It also enables you too charm more in a fight meaning you can just have more impact.

RiotRiotRepertoir19 votes

The playtest crew is actually pretty sweet.

FlashnFuse1 votes

I'm still very grateful for you sticking around the Quinn mains streams I put on when Quinn was going through her rework. Stay awesome ^-^

Carnicore1 votes

Related to OP's post, I did a short write-up answering questions about Meditate you had.

Vekkna2 votes

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(Hopefully this large last paragraph all quotes at once...)

Friendly plug for Playtest's patch chat. It occurs every Wednesday after a new patch in the Dev Corner, and we have a good amount more free time than game designers to discuss things, and also bring up player concerns to designers. I brought up Ahri with Live Gameplay as a result of hearing constant player pains there, as well as Zyra solo laning changes a while back.

I endorse this message. Zyra

Nefas3 votes

You all don’t get enough credit for doing those chats - thank you!

SpecterVonBaren3 votes

CertainlyT shouldnt ever come to these boards, at least not while using his Riot or real name. The boards would crucify, skin, tar and then boil him alive. It would be terrible for all involved and I bet people at the office specifically tell him to not post with his Riot name for his own sake.

Tomoe Gozen1 votes

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CertainlyT shouldnt ever come to these boards, at least not while using his Riot or real name. The boards would crucify, skin, tar and then boil him alive. It would be terrible for all involved and I bet people specifically tell him to not post with his Riot name for his own sake.

This kind of hate needs to stop. Whether someone agrees with his champion designs or not, it's irrelevant since his champions are actually fun to play. Zed and Yasuo haven't attained (and maintained) their popularity only because they had patches of OP-ness sprinkled around the metas.

SpecterVonBaren1 votes

On a side note, Zed wasn't made by CT.

For me personally, I hate much of his work but I don't hate the man himself, the most I've said is, "How does he still have a job?!" because of the abomination that is Kalista.

Tomoe Gozen2 votes

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On a side note, Zed wasn't made by CT.

For me personally, I hate much of his work but I don't hate the man himself, the most I've said is, "How does he still have a job?!" because of the abomination that is Kalista.

On his lol wiki page, Zed is listed as his champion. Here's the full list:

Darius, the Hand of Noxus Thresh, the Chain Warden Zyra, Rise of the Thorns (partly with Steven 'Coronach' DeRose and Ryan 'Morello' Scott) Yasuo, the Unforgiven Kalista, the Spear of Vengeance Zed, the Master of Shadows Zoe, the Aspect of Twilight Warwick, the Uncaged Wrath of Zaun

Parceval1 votes

If that's his work then, well, actually, he should have job.

Sure, people may hate a lot of those champions... but that's because they're so popular. Like, really, really popular.

Darius is a fun top lane.

Thresh is an amazing support, probably one of the best all-around high-skill-high-return supports.

Zyra's kinda a mixed bag, but she can be a fun support.

Yasuo is heavily hated, sure, but he's also HIGHLY played. I've almost never played him, but, man, he's sure fun to watch be played perfectly. Just, objectively, he's got a lot of potential for those very-high-skill-cap plays which make top elo fun.

Kalista is a very interesting adc. She's hard to balance and out of the meta right now, but, she's interesting, I appreciate the niche.

Zed is all the same comments as Yasuo.

Warwick (was T involved in the rework?) because rework WW is in a great space imo. He's maybe a little too strong right now, but I really appreciate thematically and technically where he fits.

Tomoe Gozen1 votes

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Warwick (was T involved in the rework?) because rework WW is in a great space imo. He's maybe a little too strong right now, but I really appreciate thematically and technically where he fits.

Yea, it's WW's rework that's his.

SpecterVonBaren1 votes

That's a problem with whoever put that on the wiki and a popular myth. Other Rioters have said in the past that he did not in fact make Zed.

AetherArising1 votes

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That's a problem with whoever put that on the wiki and a popular myth. Other Rioters have said in the past that he did not in fact make Zed.

Then why hasn't it ever been removed?

SpecterVonBaren1 votes

How should I know? I just know that it's wrong.

AetherArising1 votes

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How should I know? I just know that it's wrong.

Currently the burden of proof lies on you (or anyone who agrees) to prove that is is wrong, since it's stated on the wiki and all current evidence states that he was the designer.

SpecterVonBaren1 votes

If all you have is the wiki then that's on you, I don't particularly care to scour the boards history to prove it to one guy who's misinformed. I just know that it was disproved in the past on the boards by Rioters, CT did in fact give some advice or input to the creator of Zed but he is not in fact Zed's designer. Eventually you'll get informed correctly whether by a Rioter or by other people that will verify this.

DeathBurst3 votes

Fearless is on Twitter and Tumblr. Not here on Boards, but he's definitely easy to reach, much easier than a ton of other Rioters.

Beacon Academy4 votes

I'm pretty sure the community will like him for awhile... As long as another MYMU never happens again...

Again. Its cool he answers threads now-a-days.

But I'm still never going to forget the radio silence after the wreck that was Rework Malzahar.

big boi edri4 votes

While I do enjoy the communication, my only concern is that they may take all the feedback into account from posters and use it to make actual balance changes. Mainly concerning the recent threads on balance change feedback.

Don’t get me wrong, some of it is great, but at the same time a lot of it is awful. If you delve into the Duskblade thread, you can see a monumental amount of people with no idea what they’re talking about. There is bias and ignorance abound in that thread, and sometimes I fear the ignorant will outweigh reason, and they’ll make a change based off it.

Other than that though, yeah the communication is fantastic.

Kai Guy2 votes

I enjoy interacting with reds, Shout out to Cobra for being a chill dude. Unrelated, I do find that I miss Iron stylus sometimes. Anyhow yea nice to see them interacting with boards, I really hope their effort to communicate makes boards a less toxic environment but eh its an online community.

T4underbolt2 votes

Would.be also nice if he listened that snowball is too high and tried to convince meddler, ghostcrawler that making minions stronger over and over is bad idea. First they made minions auto pushing when you win. Then made baron minions even stronger and now they are buffing their hp and scaling. Bullsht.

Abibyama1 votes

Lmao that thread

3 years later and Rito still allows Repertoir to be this OP pls nerf

General Esdeath 1 votes

I'm liking his posts where he straight up discusses the ideas and details of changes. I'm glad to see Riot finally being more transparent with us.

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