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An example of how damage is too high right now.

WolfChases··4 votes·1,080 views

~40 minutes game, everyone is fed no metter of KDA, almost everyone had the same number of items. I was playing Kindred, had full build with GA on top of it and I was about to kill enemy Caitlyn in a scrim, andbthan shit, one single Caitlyn'aa, not even a head shoot took away 30% of my hp from a max distance. Just to mention, this isn't about Caitlyn as a champion being OP but about damage, masteries and crit chance. I wasn't full glass cannon considering that I had GA and BC in my build so I was a Kindred with 2300+ hp. I am asking Riot...if you are reworking assassins like Rengar, Le Blanc, Katarina and Talon so they deal their damage in prolonged period so they cant kill an adc in a second, how are we able to kill an ADC late game who can easily 3 shoot us from the distance? Are you going to adress damage creep and masteries as well because this is unfair. If you don't I bet this comunity is gonna cry and miss 1shoot assassins once you rework them. Why is a ranged AD dealer able to dish out such high amount of damage in a single AA while he's standing on a safe distance? There is no bias, my secondary role is ADC and I enjoy playing it but still...

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dominusx4 votes

cait is busted since her rework lol dont bother talking balance around her she can oneshot you from 800 range

WolfChases1 votes

I remember when I played Kha'Zix and BAM 900+ damage Caitlyn's head shoot, that eas insane, someones damage oriented ultimate deals less damage. XD

asamu1 votes

I think his point is that every ADC can do that kind of damage, and, with the assassin reworks coming up, how are the assassins, which have historically been dependent on their ability to near instantly kill squishies for viability, supposed to be viable with longer burst windows?

ADCs range from 1200 to ~2100 pre-mitigation DPS (Depending on active steroids etc...) with a full build. If they are lucky with crits, they can nuke other squishies in 2-3 autos, which happen in less than 1 second.

For a squishy, melee/short ranged assassin to be able to combat that, they need to be able to burst squishies even faster than that, but for that to be possible, their burst needs to be practically instant. Fizz, Yas, and Yi have strong damage prevention/mitigation (and great sustained damage), which allows them to be viable with longer burst windows when going full damage, but most assassins don't.

Hence the problem that has existed with most assassins since the early days of league regarding assassin balance. To make them fun/interactive for both sides and be viable, damage as a whole likely needs to go down.

dominusx1 votes

i just want the korean build gone. specially luc mf. lucian can do 2.5k dmg with his ult

AssauIto2 votes

This is the way its supposed to be.

WolfChases2 votes

It is not. I am playing this game since 2012 and I know how was it before. ADC was able to 3 shoot you with AA's only if you are underleveled and underfeed, but not if you are on the same line.

Tormentula1 votes

Cait is just that strong, You'd have to catch her out and just commit to fighting her cause even tho, yes she hurts from a distance, you're bruisier and probably deal the same or more against her. If you're fed you should be able to kill her in 2 Qs assuming she isn't god tier kiting mechanics.

WolfChases1 votes

It just happened to be Caitlyn, that'a why I mentioned that post isn't about Caitlyn being OP and if I remember well Cait didn't got any buffs to her AA, isn't she? This applies to almost all ADCs, especially Jinx and Jhin.

Crett1 votes

Kindred's Q does pretty lousy damage, even when fed. But a fed Kindred has thunderous autos

Avienal1 votes

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~40 minutes game, everyone is fed no metter of KDA, almost everyone had the same number of items. I was playing Kindred, had full build with GA on top of it and I was about to kill enemy Caitlyn in a scrim, andbthan shit, one single Caitlyn'aa, not even a head shoot took away 30% of my hp from a max distance. Just to mention, this isn't about Caitlyn as a champion being OP but about damage, masteries and crit chance. I wasn't full glass cannon considering that I had GA and BC in my build so I was a Kindred with 2300+ hp. I am asking Riot...if you are reworking assassins like Rengar, Le Blanc, Katarina and Talon so they deal their damage in prolonged period so they cant kill an adc in a second, how are we able to kill an ADC late game who can easily 3 shoot us from the distance? Are you going to adress damage creep and masteries as well because this is unfair. If you don't I bet this comunity is gonna cry and miss 1shoot assassins once you rework them. Why is a ranged AD dealer able to dish out such high amount of damage in a single AA while he's standing on a safe distance? There is no bias, my secondary role is ADC and I enjoy playing it but still...

First of all was the Caitlyn running a mix of penetration and full crit chance? Because that is likely part of the reason i can only see them doing 'large amounts of damage', which is technically what a Marksmen is suppose to do, large AD damage at a range thru rapid auto attacks. Caitlyn is one of the champions like Ashe, who build critical chance to work with their passive, so both of them commonly grab Infinity edge which ups critical hit damage from x2 to x2.5. Where they have to do these builds in 'normal' circumstances, otherwise they are useless pea'shooter pokers.

Plus really its much better then the retarded things like Lucian and Miss fortune and likely other marksmen who can skip crits for penetration building, especially if they have abilities they can use rapidly and would have little need for attack speed to drive the stakes home or only need minimal amount of it. Such as Twitch and Kog Ma already have abilities to grant them large attack speed so they can put more focus on On-hit items like Blood Razor, Guinsoo's rage blade, Blade of the Ruined King and just go full auto assault rifle style on top of you instead of making each shot have AD be what marksmen normally use to damage targets.

Plus Jhin scales much stronger then a Caitlyn in terms of 'whombo shots', thanks to his % scaling damage passive even with the 4 shot mechanic. He can literally use raw damage gained thru his passive to help him melt holes in hp sponge champions and the 4th shot adds the coupe'de'grace to that with its missing hp bonus. I've melted 3k to 4.8k hp plus Armor cho'gaths in All for One with a team of Jhins vs a team of yolo Cho'gath AP, Tank or Mix types and we manage to turn it over from us being camped in our base to utterly destroying all of them in one swift motion.

So instead of complaining about the champions that are actually doing what they should be doing, you should be complaining about the champions getting to play constant rofl'stomp without needing any 'actual' damage stats and abuse using multiple on hit % hp killer items and stack them into a mess of fkery thanks to them having the attack speed to do so.

Seriously, % hp kill stack jungling is Kindred's thing as a Marksmen, not a bunch of champions who only get away with it with scummy stealth, large armor/resist % shred skill shot and super high attack speed gain when the skill is 'activated'.

WolfChases1 votes

As far as I remember Cait had a mixture of crit and penetration build. I understand your point, but I also remember season 2, 3, 4 and 5 when ADC's were not able to burst you down in 3 hits, but actually do sustained damage from the safe distance while supports and tanks are protecting them, and that's what ADC should do, they are marksmens, not the assassins or duelists, especially not Caitlyn, Ashe, Jinx and Jhin. When you say "It's what they are supposed to do" do you want to imply that ADC's did what they are not supposed to do all 5 previous seasons? :D They were never as strong as they are now and noone can deny that. Again, I am not saying that ADCs as a champions are OP, in fact, reworked items that offer too much damage and raw stats, masteries and keystones are the things that make them OP and unfair. Heck I don't really want to play a 2000-2500 hp late game champion and soak up 900 damage Caitlyn's single AA it's almost half of my HP and ye, It happened when I played Kha'Zix, even Caitlyn was amazed and she said it's retarded.

AssauIto1 votes

I been playing since 2013. This is when Infinity Edge gave 75 ad and 35% crit chance iirc, bloodthirster use to give 70 to 100 ad. During that time an ADC could sometimes 2 shot or 3 shot an assassin if the assassin didn't build defenses, Draven was also popular at this time.

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