The only one that is actually fun to face is Aatrox (and it's actually fun, well done there). Runner up is Renekton imo but only because he has clear strengths and weaknesses.
The rest of this garbage lineup? No thanks. But atleast they're flashy for the spectators I guess.
Ragnaveil6 votesSylas is interesting ,but I completely agree on the rest that they are boring or frustrating to fight against. Especially if you are Aatrox against Ryze, the moment that fucker gets Arch and Frozen Heart, you cant burst his shield. Where does Neeko land on that list, bet she's not far from that considering Glacial makes her aids.
Z3Sleeper4 votesTop Neeko shouldn't exist I agree but she isn't too high on the popular list so that's good.
Currently she's sitting at 16th most popular with a 52.9% WR and a 3.6% PR
And yeah, Sylas is "ok" at best after the nerfs. Once he gets tanky though god is it an unbearable matchup. Good luck catching him at all cuz the only time he'll let you is when the jungler is around. Rest of the time he's spamming his low cost, low cooldown Q to last hit and waveclear from a distance while simultaneously zoning you from approaching due to the huge AoE + slow.
On the bright side if you do end up catching him he's actually not that mobile. His E dash is pretty small. Also more mobile top laners seem better into him; which is pretty much why I dislike him, we have enough top lane counterpicks to immobile champions.
Ragnaveil2 votes16th? Christ. She pretty much counters anyone that has to get close to deal damage. The one thing that broke the camel's back besides having a ms buff every 3rd auto (Makes no sense for it to exist btw) was the E change to give her max root duration if she hits a single target.
DuskDaUmbreon5 votesHow tf is dealing with Riven, Sylas, or Irelia more bullshit than dealing with than the classic lanebully bullshitter Renekton? You know, the guy who sustains past your poke, has a decent amount of mobility, and has a point and click stun?
Z3Sleeper6 votesIf you stay out of E1 range, he doesn't just fuck you up at every opportunity, you actually have breathing room.
If he uses E2 then he has no escape, which is why Rene's never use E2 to approach unless they can guarantee a kill off it (E's do a bit of damage too so they usually wait for when they can actually land them).
Yeah sure he sustains poke, sure his all-in is nuts, but he has DOWNSIDES. He has to commit to the approach if the opponent plays safe, he has to shove to sustain and he has to wait for fury to all-in (which is a clear indicator of when he's looking for it).
All in all, he's more fair, that's why. Don't get me wrong I hate Renekton but he's atleast tolerable. He's not out of line.
AlienPrimate2 votesWould you advise other melees who cannot win against him early game just to have 0 CS early game outside of those you can get under tower? This is a serious question because most top laners will eventually outscale him. A good example I can think of from my pool is Tryndamere. Renekton just stomps Tryn into the ground early game giving him no room to do anything but cry for help from jung/mid and hope that Renekton leaves lane to give you some breathing room for a couple minutes.
Z3Sleeper3 votesAlmost every melee champion has a way to viably play that lane.
Also everyone has access to the level 1 option of "let him Q you or auto you to get the wave pushing to you so you can farm under tower". He has no way of stopping that. Another form of his counterplay right there.
AlienPrimate2 votesI guess I've never actually tried letting my opponent take minion aggro to force it to push to me before. I immediately understood what you meant but never thought to put this to use in my games. This shall be my next big thing to work on in top lane in unfavorable lanes so thanks for the pointer.
PB4UAME2 votesIt used to be that managing minion waves, knowing when to take trades (i.e. after you killed their cannon, with yours still up) fighting in, or through your/the enemy minions, having the wave come to just under tower for free farming, freezing, shoving when they room, base, etc was the core of top lane. Now these mechanics (and strategy, and macro play et all) barely even matter, just pick a more busted champ and build straight damage + CDR, then 100-0 instaburst them before they can react through hard CC (
etc)
AlienPrimate1 votesWell of the ones you listed I actually get a big grin when 3 of those are first picked before me. Irelia, Aatrox, and Camille are a free lane for me and Riven I can handle. Neeko is annoying in lane but manageable from the few times I have seen it. The macro part is actually what I'm probably the worst at. I beat the skirmishers at their own game with Taric so I tend not to think too much about macro which hurts me in lanes that I don't auto win by spamming Q and auto attacking against people stupid enough to dive right into my stun (or just use their dash before I use my stun).
Inasnity Valor4 votesHow is that any different from Riven? Staying out of Rene's E1 is essentially giving up the lane phase anyways. If you're going to do that with Ren, then there's no problem doing that with Riven. I'd take fighting Riven over Renekton any day. Ren is a horse crap of a champion.
Z3Sleeper3 votesStaying out of Rene's E1 range is the same thing as staying out of Darius' E range when you aren't up to fighting him.
When his fury is down you can fight. It's that simple. Clear cut and dry strengths and weaknesses. That's why I think his design is atleast decent.
And Riven? She essentially has a 4 second CD Q rank 1. That dash is always available. Q pause Q pause Q pause Q pause, etc. there's no room to go in cuz her Q is never down and when it is it's only down for all of 4 seconds but only at rank 1. On top of that she has W and E readily available the whole time.
The nerf to her shield was actually great though, she does feel a lot more fair to play against now.
TL;DR: 2 dashes on a long cooldown w/ one of them being conditional < 4 unconditional shorter dashes with 3 of them being low cd and 1 a CC in itself
Inasnity Valor1 votesYeah, but that means she's using one Q every two seconds to get, at max, the 5 second cd for her Q. In all honesty, Riven's level 2 is not that strong. We're talking lane phase here. If Riven can't get to you with her 3rd Q, she's not going to E in anymore. Her Q is not going to be perma up unless she's perma priming it.
I feel the Riven bias is very strong. Most people simply don't respect Riven how they respect other lane bullies. And she has way less all in potential until level 6, depending on who you're playing.
Z3Sleeper2 votesIt's a 4 second buffer. One Q every four seconds. Ofcourse all will be blown if the enemy is within range to get combo'd.
I very much am forced to respect GM+ Riven mains dw.
Moody P4 votesAatrox is awful to lane against too though
Z3Sleeper2 votesIs he though? I actually enjoy playing against it. Playing dodge/bait the Q's and W's simulator. Plus it has a very reasonable cooldown and so does his E.
His current design is really good imo outside the absolutely disgusting level 16 healing interactions.
ChaosReyn1 votesYeah. His late game healing is disgusting, but honestly, fighting the Trox really only bothers me if I'm playing an immobile ADC. And that's honestly what I get for playing an immobile ADC into him in the first place.
People need to start understanding the value of counterpicks again. I feel like (other than the rampant amounts of damage, which they're actually finally starting to work on) one of the main reasons people are getting so frustrated with this game is that it's more about tiers and meta now than it is playing the game your way. It's just like pokemon - when it first started, you took your (not actually) mandatory Lv100 Pikachu, and then picked 5 pokemon you thought were cool, and started kicking ass. Now, it's "get this exact EV spread in your egg, and make the perfect Bidoof."
I've seen Pokémon Rusty version - we don't need perfect Bidoof, we need a way to exhibit our own style in a competitive light against others free to do the same. It has to start by breaking up these "top picks" a bit, and making it more fun to try any of the 145+ champs without seeing "You picked Singed, oh shit someone dodge!"
MiniJurista2 votesU main Yorick which is one of the most boring champs in the fcking game while u cry about champs like Riven, Irelia or Ryze which have some room of learning and arent as boring as permapushing 24/7 lmao
Z3Sleeper2 votesYorick permapush lul. Try playing Yorick and doing that tell me how it goes.
MiniJurista2 votesIf u dont do that then hes a useless champion lol
Z3Sleeper2 votesThat's how you die to easy jungle camping. You can't afkpush, especially not in early levels.
On top of that half the top lane roster will decimate you if you’re anywhere near them without ghouls.
Alzon2 votesWould you rather have Tahm Kench? Or Ornn? Or freaking Lulu?
Z3Sleeper1 votesHow about none of the above?
Alzon1 votesThen who would you want to play against? Malphite, Maokai, Mundo, Singed? People don’t like getting smashed in lane while trusting their rando teammates to carry them. So they pick champions who have a chance of actually winning lane, and that includes dealing with ganks and potentially winning 1v2’s. I prefer playing tanks myself, but the impact I have later in the game after giving up lane has decreased to the point where it’s no longer worth it.
Z3Sleeper1 votesI just want them tweaked to be less safe (also all those are fine but Mao Q buff ew buffing the least interactive ability).
Too much of either spammable low/no cost poke or extremely reliable escapes that they don’t have any reason to blow prior to a gank or evading an enemy all-in.
But most of all:
Padoµch1 votesI would say that the most problematic one is Jayce (IMO). When I pick Garen/Olaf/Malphite I normally dont have big problems dealing with these champs.
Z3Sleeper1 votesJayce/Ryze. The rest are "okay" as in not cancer but still super meh.
Shrek Luigi1 votesf**k popular, I've been playing stuff like 
and absolutely wiping the floor with these meta picks. Popular and Good aren't mutually-inclusive.
Z3Sleeper1 votesYeah Wu top is actually really good right now. J4 and Trundle are solid and Olaf is an absolute monster.
Idk bout Voli atleast in high level play he seems to just get dicked by everything.
