@Riot Sotere, how do you feel like GP is doing now?

Sahn Uzal··4 votes·3,515 views

Now you might remember me from the discussion we had when the GP nerfs just came on PBE.. Now that the changes are live and people got to play around with it, I'd like to ask you: How do you feel like GP is doing after the nerfs? Too weak? Too strong? Just right? -_- The fact that it's harder to be succesful on GP if you are not good at playing GP is pretty cool :3 I do think the fact that you can not rely on GP for waveclear hits pretty hard tho (I've had a game where I used 2 barrels to clear the wave in mid, shorty after a teamfight broke out, and I was just standing there for 15 second like ''Go team, you're doing great'' with an occasional Q whenever it was up) summoner 31

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RiotRiot Sotere5 votes

Oh I remember. :)

Think it's still a bit early to conclude one way or the other. I'll be watching how he performs over the coming week and reevaluate. How about you? Besides the wave clear issue, where do you think he settled?

warpenguin5552 votes

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Oh I remember. :)

Think it's still a bit early to conclude one way or the other. I'll be watching how he performs over the coming week and reevaluate. How about you? Besides the wave clear issue, where do you think he settled?

Maybe could his barrel cap scale with his E? Like 2/3/4/5/6? Or something? I love Gangplank and I hate his constant nerfs. Maybe with what I suggested then Gangplank could max Q or E 1st. Q if he wants to hit harder and E if he needs more wave clear

Sahn Uzal4 votes

As much as I love GP, the barrel ammo scaling with R rank was healthier than your suggestion :S He had a maximum of 5 barrels at lvl 16 last patch, and you suggest giving him 6 barrels at level 9 or 13 (depending on what he maxed)

On the bright side, we can pick our champion without being afraid of him getting banned ^^ I personally do not care about how strong he is (as long as he is useable), I care about how fun he is. I was afraid the changes of last patch would make him less enjoyable, so... I might've ''made sure the boards were aware of my opinion'' :P summoner 31

warpenguin5551 votes

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As much as I love GP, the barrel ammo scaling with R rank was healthier than your suggestion :S He had a maximum of 5 barrels at lvl 16 last patch, and you suggest giving him 6 barrels at level 9 or 13 (depending on what he maxed)

On the bright side, we can pick our champion without being afraid of him getting banned ^^ I personally do not care about how strong he is (as long as he is useable), I care about how fun he is. I was afraid the changes of last patch would make him less enjoyable, so... I might've ''made sure the boards were aware of my opinion'' :P summoner 31

Yeah that's true. Just 3 barrels enough alot of the time too me. I gave up on top lane but I'll still take him mid

Sahn Uzal1 votes

I'm gonna try to learn Viktor, just so I can Q up as Top/ mid. I'll play GP whenever I can, but I gotta have a backup plan. I already have multiple ones for toplane, Viktor's the guy I wanna learn for mid c: I fucking love Gangplank :3 summoner 31

Sahn Uzal1 votes

Oh, guess you just got one useless message in your inbox xP

I don't think he's 'bad' by any means, and I still really enjoy him! Which is quite a relief to me, because I was afraid the change would make him less fun. I don't think he's ban worthy anymore, his barrels still have the weakness of being destroyable, and if you manage to kill the barrels before GP detonates them, he'll be pretty useless for a while. Also, Teemo now has a higher winratio than him. The one buff he could use though is a new skin :^) (Sorry it had to be done :C) summoner 31

HotChilly1 votes

I love GP, thanks you guys at riot for creating such a fun champion, ive spent a ton of time enjoying the pirate.

After the 6.4 changes I feel like when the enemy disarms a barrel it is very punishing, as I assume it was meant to be. The barrels seem like they were meant to have some of the highest counter play in the game, and be rewarded for that in the form of doing Tons of Damage, with a loss of 40% of his barrels it is now a really big deal to lose a barrel, and thats how it should be as long as they are as impactful as they are!

I worry about his global ult being too strong, especially in competitive play, maybe a TF or Pantheon type of range would be good for it. Give people a little warning or suspicion when GP wanders off closer to your lane. The amount of frustration and eye rolling I see in higher elo streams when they get GP ulted in the middle of their 2v2 bot lane is pretty unfortunate to watch and probably draws a lot of GP bans haha. Maybe a silver serpent upgrade to bring it back to global would be fun? Who knows!

Anyways thanks again you guys at riot for creating my favorite champ! I would love to see your thoughts on GP's state in a week or so when you have more data =)

Sahn Uzal1 votes

It's been 12 days since I made this thread, I'm still enjoying the guy... I've had some conversations with people about him... But I am unsure where he stands... Because, well.. I feel like he's pretty good still.. But if my feel for strength would be correct... Yorick would be broken. Lol

So do you have a better idea of how he's doing now? summoner 31

RiotRiot Sotere4 votes

If you're good with him, he's still pretty awesome. I think the meta is favoring him a bit: he prefers to go against tanky dudes top in my experience instead of killers like Riven/Renekton. If you're playing the farm game, you're likely going to win.

He's fallen off a bit in professional play, which is a good sign. Don't have any plans to change him in the near future.

Sahn Uzal1 votes

If you're good with him, he's still pretty awesome.

yay, I guess that means I'm atleast decent ;^P

I think the meta is favoring him a bit: he prefers to go against tanky dudes top in my experience instead of killers like Riven/Renekton. If you're playing the farm game, you're likely going to win.

I agree for sure, as long as you keep Fiora banned he doesn't have too many counters that are actually meta.

He's fallen off a bit in professional play, which is a good sign. Don't have any plans to change him in the near future.

That's great to hear! -_- On a whole different note, what do you build on him now? I used to get item 3078 >item 3031 > Potentially a situational item > item 3508 Right now, Im trying some new stuff out. I'm kinda liking this item 3078 > item 3508 > item 3031 .. But if I have to get a situational item, my IE will be really delayed, and i'm not sure how much I like that.

Oh and do you have Sultan GP? Do you think that skin's worth it? c: I already own Captain and Spooky GP and I'm considering buying a thirth skin because #Variation -_- I also had one non GP related question... What do you think about the fact that tanks will basically always rush a item 3751/item 3068 ? I enjoyed getting things like item 3024 first on Sion, but in a tank matchup I do not feel like I can... Bamis just feels like it's so much stronger.. I would ask something about item 3512 but it's getting nerfed already... so I dun need to c:

EDIT: There's a bug with Gangplanks farming score on the scoreboard, I don't know if your colleagues are aware of this.. But, for example, I remember in a game where I had 300 + farm. I specifically looked at my CS when I reached 300. In the post game lobby it said I had 280 farm... ;_; I could try to reproduce it in a custom game... I have done it before, so it should work summoner 31

RiotRiot Sotere1 votes

I feel bad when I don't get my IE second. So I still tend to do that route. Essence Reaver is nice because I can opt out of scaling CDR runes but the midgame damage lull hurts.

Sultan is my favorite and most used skin of his.

Sunfire question is pretty interesting. It was undertuned for awhile and we didn't see much of it. Now its closer to its armor counterparts, which is good. Even really good wave clearers like Nautilus pick it up, which is... probably less good.

Saixos3 votes

To be honest I think the only reason people who already have good waveclear like Naut are picking up sunfire is because of sunfire ticking the "in combat" part of grasp of the undying. If you prevent the bami & sunfire AOE from ticking it then I'm 100% sure nautilus won't like it anywhere near as much anymore :)

SaltyKracka1 votes

Here's a thought.

Try reverting some of the ways you shat all over Frozen Heart.

HotChilly1 votes

Hey Riot Sotere! Some GP mains, myself included, noticed that at some point recently (likely happened on patch 6.5) Gangplanks E had its delay between casts increased from .25 to something like .5, this wasn't listed in any patch changes so I was wondering if you had any insight on this change? Thanks a ton in advance!

Here is a post to the bug report boards which includes a video of the change, can also check it on live of course =) http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/bug-report/JXm1Odun-gangplank-delay-between-placing-barrels-doubled-in-65

RiotRiot Sotere3 votes

Heyas! Double-checked on this. This wasn't a bug that was introduced in 6.5. This was part of the 5.17 nerfs: the timing on the spell looks funny because how and when it's calculated, but it mimics a .25 CD between casts as referenced in those patch notes.

Sorry for the confusion. On the bright side, should be the same barrel chaining as you've had since 5.17.

HotChilly1 votes

Aaah ok ok. I swear it felt different, but that was after I saw the bug post so maybe its all just in my head. Oh well sorry to have wasted any of your time and thanks a ton for the info! =)

Slamurai Jack1 votes

GP's still completely busted if you're actually good at him.

Rune Keg1 votes

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GP's still completely busted if you're actually good at him.

I disagree. He can only carry games so hard without setup from his team.

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