What if part of Akali's rework was something like this?

Akali is SO HOT··7 votes·2,690 views

Maybe as part of her passive some of her AP could be converted into AD and some of her AD could be converted into AP. For her abilities they would have both AP and AD ratios. This could emphasize her hybrid playstyle more than it does now. Obviously this just wouldn't be tacked on into her kit but would be one part of the overall rework. Thoughts?

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umbraˉ2 votes

All I know is that she needs heavy buffs. She has been a tr0ll pick for far too long.

Akali is SO HOT3 votes

Akali and Zed need MASSIVE buffs

Pentarina Only4 votes

Did you just say Zed needs a massive buff?

LOL I'm done.

Akali is SO HOT3 votes

Yeah MASSIVE buffs

Pentarina Only4 votes

ROFL I AM SO HAPPY RIOT DOESN'T LISTEN TO YOU PEOPLE.

Akali is SO HOT1 votes

Dude I'm Plat and you're Silver. I'm pretty sure Riot values my input more than yours and when I say Zed and Akali need MASSIVE buffs Riot takes that into consideration

Pentarina Only2 votes

I'm not silver, I'm at least diamond. I ALWAYS get horrible teammates that throw. And don't give me the bull.shit I'm just bad.

Akali is SO HOT2 votes

That's what they all say friend

TLDR Zed and Akali need MASSIVE buffs

Pentarina Only2 votes

YOU TRY PLAYING IN SILVER. IT'S LITERALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO GET OUT OF.

Akali is SO HOT2 votes

I did. I started in Bronze V. Took me quite a while to get out of Bronze and Gold was a little challenging as well but Silver was by far the easiest to get out of. So yeah MASSIVE buffs.

Pentarina Only3 votes

bull shit

Akali is SO HOT1 votes

Akali So many noobs. Will matchmaking ever find true balance?

Zed Embrace the shadow....or DIE in darkness

Pentarina Only1 votes

now you're just saying random crap. troll

Pentarina Only2 votes

not going to reply and give attention anymore

Akali is SO HOT1 votes

You just replied to yourself....

Pentarina Only2 votes

I'm on mobile this post has gotten waaaay to long you troll.

Akali is SO HOT1 votes

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Pentarina Only2 votes

Stop spamming my updates

Riven Main1 votes

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Akali So many noobs. Will matchmaking ever find true balance?

Zed Embrace the shadow....or DIE in darkness

so true though, her shroud is one of her strongest weapons she actually got a slight buff this patch shh xD

Underworldvisito1 votes

This "argument" seriously made my day after such a hard tilt.

SnugglePuggle941 votes

Dude. Zed needs nerfs. Stop going after the guy, for Pete's sake.

RiotMeddler9 votes

We value feedback based off the insights it offers. On some subjects people who do better in ranked tend to offer better feedback, a piece of feedback's generally equally useful or non useful regardless of whether it's coming from someone in Silver or Platinum though.

There are some nuanced cases where someone's ability to play the game does make us consider their feedback in a different light, particularly new players and players with enormous amounts of experience and the ability to express it well. Overall though, what you're saying and how you're saying it's what we take into consideration.

La Bello1 votes

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We value feedback based off the insights it offers. On some subjects people who do better in ranked tend to offer better feedback, a piece of feedback's generally equally useful or non useful regardless of whether it's coming from someone in Silver or Platinum though.

There are some nuanced cases where someone's ability to play the game does make us consider their feedback in a different light, particularly new players and players with enormous amounts of experience and the ability to express it well. Overall though, what you're saying and how you're saying it's what we take into consideration.

Have you guys ever thought about having AP feed into Armor pen and AD feed into magic pen? That would seem pretty cool and It wouldnt make her a tower buster

SnugglePuggle941 votes

Please don't take the guy seriously, though. Zed did not need his ult damage buffed, though you did it anyhow, and he doesn't need anymore buffs (I also can't fathom how serious you guys are with the Rengar changes on the PBE, that will just make him more insane).

ExecutorDill1 votes

I'd start first with taking a thematic approach and keeping her iconic abilities. The sad thing is the only thing I find iconic on akali is her twilight shroud and even thought it makes her invisible the shroud is self telecast the area she is.

Her passive, Q, E and R needs scrapping. I'd make her kit centered around the use of twilight shroud rather than make it so it's just an escaping tool when things get heated.

Topless Irelia1 votes

I think he was joking :p

maxaroni1182 votes

the only problem i feel i have with zed is that his energy is sooo slow at regen

as for akali, she just has no defense and cc

buff: add a base spell vamp in her e, then have it multiply if she hits with a q then e.

Maximum Morde1 votes

No plz. Unless they plan to bring back Oracles and pink ward trinket so I can collect free kills by farming Akali.

Erockandroll2 votes

The way I see it, The only way to make her a better assassin is to focus her non assassin abilities.

That may sound weird. But she has a weird kit that's "I can't farm minions, so I guess I'll farm champions." An older playstyle that really isn't supported anymore. (Cause anyone who can farm champs is clearly oppressive.)

Probably what you would have to do is give her some better tools for wave clear. Or give her better dueling potential, probably attached to her Shroud. (perhaps both.)

Pentarina Only1 votes

All ai want to see changed on her is a buff to her AA frame speed.

Crett1 votes

But I've never understood what's interesting about her hybrid building besides the fact that it gives her a BUNCH of stats There should be a much more meaningful difference between the two stats besides the fact that they both give her damage. And not in some gross way like the way she gets spellvamp

maxaroni1181 votes

actually the funny thing is that its hard to play against a good fed akali because of her AP and AD ratios...

If u have both, u get more spell vamp, giiving her more ability to dive and come out alive, and her autoattacks deal more damage

then there is the q amplification

Phoenix Kotori 1 votes

Maybe as part of her passive some of her AP could be converted into AD and some of her AD could be converted into AP.

You mean like Kayle's passive 5 yrs ago that got removed because rito didn't like it? I doubt it.

Holy Fervor 30% of Kayle's attack damage is added to her ability power and 15% of Kayle's ability power is added to her attack damage.

Akali is SO HOT1 votes

Ya well Kayle is op freelo that's why

Dies lrae1 votes

Sounds like a nice idea at first, but then you would have to take in account of the turret update awhile back. If she was to receive this as a passive, then she would be the strongest tower destroyer in the game. Imagine, an Akali, capable of destroying a turret faster than a Kogmaw who has a 5.0 Attack speed, or a Nasus with 600 stacks on his Q. At least with KogMaw he has to be stationary, thus being vulnerable, or as with Nasus it would take time to reach high stacks. However with Akali it would be natural at any level.

Akali is SO HOT1 votes

With her bonus magic damage on her auto attacks and lich bane she is already a monster tower eater so I don't think this would change her that much in terms of tower pushing

Dies lrae1 votes

The way you see it, and the way I see it, are completely different. I see her AAs being equivalent to Vi's E on a turret. Magic damage on hit is far different than high/moderate AD and high AP when vs a tower.

Akali is SO HOT1 votes

She would kill towers at about the same rate she does now if this change went through during her rework

Dies lrae1 votes

Care to explain on how so? Not trying to question your reasonings, I'm curious.

Riven Main1 votes

I would like her E to be slightly redone though, its just a huge energy dump it feels xD would be nice if it worked with hydra though

ItemsGuy1 votes

I'm not really sure what you mean by hybrid playstyle here--it sounds like you're saying "Akali should be able to build AD and/or AP and still do just about the same thing" which isn't as much of a hybrid playstyle as, say, AD Kog'Maw wanting to focus down single targets from range and AP Kog'Maw wanting to poke down as many people as possible from a much greater range.

The general problem with "hybrid champs" in most of their iterations (like Akali and Jax) is that, rather than giving players some sort of way to alter their playstyle based on their build, they just kinda build both AD and AP and deal a lot of damage with it.

The Loveless1 votes

I mean honestly, she wields kamas. Nothing magic about those, though I understand she's a very early champ. She should be a physical dps champ - still pumps out huge damage and benefits from vamp and lifesteal, and as a plus for her enemies she won't buy zhonyas.

I used to play around with full ad builds on her when Ravenous Hydra first came out. The play style is enormously fun as you can get good waveclear with that item, and heal from an aoe.

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