The outcome of the game should not solely rely on whether you have a functional ADC or not. In the current state, it's impossible to compensate for a bad ADC.
It's frustrating and not remotely fun to have everyone but the ADC playing well, then automatically lose because you can't end before 20 minutes.
Curling Veigar3 votesIt doesn't have to be adc; anything really..
Baby Ghoul2 votes[{quoted}](name=Curling Veigar,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=fKJl4Jyg,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-03-11T06:29:59.953+0000)
It doesn't have to be adc; anything really..
It does. The ADC is what determines the outcome of the game.
The marksman update made their impact so much bigger than it was before. If the other team has a halfway decent ADC, and yours preformed poorly, well you're eventually going to lose unless they make a really dumb mistake.
I think it's also why games are called in the first few minutes now. An ADC with a slight lead is incredibly deadly, and their snowball starts rolling quickly from there.
Hayaishi23 votesIt does. The ADC is what determines the outcome of the game.
The marksman update made their impact so much bigger than it was before. If the other team has a halfway decent ADC, and yours preformed poorly, well you're eventually going to lose unless they make a really dumb mistake.
I think it's also why games are called in the first few minutes now. An ADC with a slight lead is incredibly deadly, and their snowball starts rolling quickly from there.
Not it doesn't, please stop talking out of your ass.
a fed mid laner + Jungler is what wins games, they have the biggest impact early/mid game.
Borkahn1 votes
in most of my previous games tonight, I've pretty much allowed my adc to be crap if he needs too. Because he gets about 2-3 free hits on the enemy adc or mid laner everytime I taunt. Your adc can be shit so long as you turn around and peel for them enough that they feel safe.
Baby Ghoul2 votesNot it doesn't, please stop talking out of your ass.
a fed mid laner + Jungler is what wins games, they have the biggest impact early/mid game.
Attack Damage Carry.
The only one talking out of their ass here is you sis.
They scale the best and they're also where the majority of the damage comes from. The other lanes can build defensively if they lose lane to you, ADCs cannot. All they are meant to do is to do massive amounts of damage. So when they aren't doing that, they're useless.
If you don't end the game before 20 minutes hits, they will outscale you and thus be putting out major amounts of damage. All they need is someone who can engage.
Hayaishi23 votesAttack Damage Carry.
The only one talking out of their ass here is you sis.
They scale the best and they're also where the majority of the damage comes from. The other lanes can build defensively if they lose lane to you, ADCs cannot. All they are meant to do is to do massive amounts of damage. So when they aren't doing that, they're useless.
If you don't end the game before 20 minutes hits, they will outscale you and thus be putting out major amounts of damage. All they need is someone who can engage.
My god are you even reading what you type? Not everything in this game is about scaling and damage. Marksmen don't even carry as hard as they used to because the game is more team oriented than before. Mid laners and junglers tend to have way more impact than marksmen do. Top laners with teleport can influence the game harder than bot lane can.
ADCs do not auto win if you didn't end the game by 20 mins, probably in your shitty elo where people feed out of their asses every single game.
Yenn2 votesMy god are you even reading what you type? Not everything in this game is about scaling and damage. Marksmen don't even carry as hard as they used to because the game is more team oriented than before. Mid laners and junglers tend to have way more impact than marksmen do. Top laners with teleport can influence the game harder than bot lane can.
ADCs do not auto win if you didn't end the game by 20 mins, probably in your shitty elo where people feed out of their asses every single game.
You're wrong. ADCs win games past 20 minutes. At Diamond, it's 100% the ADC, because AP carries can't do shit against bruisers or even the enemy ADC after a certain point, even if they're severely ahead.
This doesn't apply at lower ratings, you can carry games with a jungle or AP.
Hayaishi23 votesYou're wrong. ADCs win games past 20 minutes. At Diamond, it's 100% the ADC, because AP carries can't do shit against bruisers or even the enemy ADC after a certain point, even if they're severely ahead.
This doesn't apply at lower ratings, you can carry games with a jungle or AP.
Past 20 mins can mean 40 or 50 mins, which is at the point ADs are meant to carry. AP carries do have it hard against bruisers but saying that everyone except the ADC is irrelevant is pure salt.
Borkahn2 votesI'd let it go. You are arguing with a Silver 4 and a high elo guy who doesn't realize it takes more than one person to win. I agree with you that adcs are not the end all be all of a game.
Baby Ghoul1 votesMy god are you even reading what you type? Not everything in this game is about scaling and damage. Marksmen don't even carry as hard as they used to because the game is more team oriented than before. Mid laners and junglers tend to have way more impact than marksmen do. Top laners with teleport can influence the game harder than bot lane can.
ADCs do not auto win if you didn't end the game by 20 mins, probably in your shitty elo where people feed out of their asses every single game.
Dang you're mad huh?
I am reading what I'm typing and what you're typing. What your posting just isn't that interesting to read. You've said nothing of substance and you're throwing a fit all over this thread.
It's embarrassing, even on a smurf. Pull yourself together.
LordGeovanni1 votesby time that 4 second teleport channel is done fights are over and you teleport into a circle of butt fuk
Borkahn3 votesI'm going to have to disagree here. I've seen games where our adc was loads better than their adc....but the likes of Darius just swept through and obliterated us all. ADCs are not the carries in this meta. They are strong yes...but not the carries. Regardless of what ADC stands for.
Yenn2 votesI'm going to have to disagree here. I've seen games where our adc was loads better than their adc....but the likes of Darius just swept through and obliterated us all. ADCs are not the carries in this meta. They are strong yes...but not the carries. Regardless of what ADC stands for.
Because players in lower rated games are bad in every meaning of the word.
Borkahn2 votesBut are you not bad for not being able to carry your team to allow for your adc to excel....I mean it goes two ways here. I can't play Shen and ask for my adc to deal damage if I'm not out front peeling for him.
BeatzBoyFTW2 votesBecause players in lower rated games are bad in every meaning of the word.
Says a guy who makes Bronze threads 24/7.
Borkahn2 votesQuite possibly your reasoning for thinking that they are indeed the carries above all could be the fact that if your lolking is stating right...you main support.
Baby Ghoul1 votesQuite possibly your reasoning for thinking that they are indeed the carries above all could be the fact that if your lolking is stating right...you main support.
That actually has nothing to do with that, and like that crying clown that keeps flinging poo all over this thread, this is not my only account I play on.
It does take more than one person to win the game, but you can't ignore when power spikes happen. I play a lot of support, so of course I realize that it takes a team to win. Are you serious? However if your late game carry preformed terribly, there goes the game. That's why if you don't wrap it up before 20 minutes, then you're looking a steep climb.
That is what OP is talking about. You can carry the game from mid to late game, but if you don't wrap it up, you'll quickly see the game decline if the other ADC is competent with a few competent teammates that may have lost lane.
Borkahn2 votesSo you are implying you are not competent then? You don't need a competent adc to win. I've literally won and have seen games in higher elos won simply because the peelers gave the adc enough time to realize that he could lay down damage. And even still in other situations that adc was a non factor because I just ended up peeling for that fizz over there or the viktor or hell even a talon. ADCs do not decide the game.
Baby Ghoul1 votesSo you are implying you are not competent then? You don't need a competent adc to win. I've literally won and have seen games in higher elos won simply because the peelers gave the adc enough time to realize that he could lay down damage. And even still in other situations that adc was a non factor because I just ended up peeling for that fizz over there or the viktor or hell even a talon. ADCs do not decide the game.
[zombie-brand-facepalm] You should do some reading comprehension exercises and be careful with what you say.
I really do not care if you're Bronze or Diamond. Silver is not high ELO though, and as you can see last year I was Gold, which also is not high ELO. Let's just agree to disagree.
Simply stating that ADCs have no impact on the game over and over again does nothing, and that's really all you two are doing.
Borkahn2 votesNo that's the words you are trying to force on us. We are saying they are not the end all be all that you both have claimed them to be. Do they matter...yes to an extent. But whether I win or lose is not solely dependent on an ADC and if that is truly your thoughts, then you don't carry your games enough. And if you notice I said I've done it in my elo (silver which is low) and seen it in high (Plat which I would say is high). Take some reading comprehension youself. Good day.
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Baby Ghoul1 votesNo that's the words you are trying to force on us. We are saying they are not the end all be all that you both have claimed them to be. Do they matter...yes to an extent. But whether I win or lose is not solely dependent on an ADC and if that is truly your thoughts, then you don't carry your games enough. And if you notice I said I've done it in my elo (silver which is low) and seen it in high (Plat which I would say is high). Take some reading comprehension youself. Good day.
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"Take some reading comprehension youself."
Gotcha sis and have a good day too! Don't claim to be something you're not then insinuate others play worse than you next time.
Borkahn2 votesLast I check I was Silver Elo. Nice try. Keep talking. You are looking more and more like an idiot as time goes by. Time for me to jump back into game to keep climbing...you know by carrying.
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Baby Ghoul1 votesLast I check I was Silver Elo. Nice try. Keep talking. You are looking more and more like an idiot as time goes by. Time for me to jump back into game to keep climbing...you know by carrying.
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The thing you don't realize is I don't care where you are. You're the one that was bringing up everyone's ELO like it had anything with the conversation. You made little catty side comments that I didn't appreciate.
Go ahead and climb, I wish you luck. Your opinion would still mean less than cat poo to me because of your attitude and your inability to read. I don't care if you make it to bronze 5 or platinum 5.
Borkahn2 votesI don't appreciate how you try to put the both of us beneath you as if we were any less significant than you. Start appreciating the opinions of others instead of attacking them and I might actually appreciate what little wisdom you might have. And news flash darlin...you brought up elo early in the post. So try to push it off on me again. You both threw "elo" in our face. Don't get mad when it's redirected. Scrub.
Baby Ghoul1 votesI don't appreciate how you try to put the both of us beneath you as if we were any less significant than you. Start appreciating the opinions of others instead of attacking them and I might actually appreciate what little wisdom you might have. And news flash darlin...you brought up elo early in the post. So try to push it off on me again. You both threw "elo" in our face. Don't get mad when it's redirected. Scrub.
Nothing was redirected. I responded to you accordingly, don't think I didn't see what you were insinuating. Your friend attacked me first, and you can see it just one page back.
Then you brought up ELOs. Now you're resorting to name calling. I'm not gonna take it. You proved you had nothing relevant to say when you started talking about where everyone was at, like you were better when in fact you weren't. You continue to do so when you call me a scrub. So by your own deeply flawed logic you're the scrub in this situation. I made gold last season, you were silver. You just proved what you were all about from the beginning, nothing. I never stated once that anyone was beneath me, you on the other hand said it several times.
Don't come in acting catty and expect not to get checked dear. Now I'd appreciate it if you stopped quoting me with your immature little digs. It's not cute. Move on.
Borkahn1 votesFirst off, not a friend of mind, just a like minded individual in this situation.
Second, your pompous attitude this whole time insinuates that you think yourself above us all.
Third, the first time I brought "elos" into the conversation was implying that the point I was proving had been done in both low and high elos to which you brought in the subject of my elo. I've stated multiple times that I am Silver 2 and never put myself into such a position to think myself better.
Fourth, I will resort to name calling because I actually need to stoop to your level in the hopes that you aren't brain dead enough to actually comprehend what I'm saying.
Fifth, to tag onto the fourth, you also began the name calling before I did so check that again.
Sixth, if you don't like name calling don't start it.
Seventh, my "deeply flawed logic" is proven day in and day out that the adc is not the end all be all that you in your very first post stated.
Eighth, you want to once again pull out that you were gold last season and I was silver. Well now I'm Silver 2 and you are Silver 4. Rise on up buddy. I'm waiting. Last season was last season.
Ninth, darlin you can turn around and try to back track on everything said and act all high and mighty but coming out and attacking the other guy and then jumping on me for stating a fact....negative ghost rider that is some bullshit and you are trying to redirect your guilt.
Tenth, it's obvious you lack the basic skills in literacy, so this well formed post is going to be either ignored by you or misconstrued to cover your own ass and make me look like the bad guy. That's fine. I made my mistakes and questionable actions and words in the conversation. But they weren't without warrant. Don't start shit if you can't handle someone throwing it back at you.
Eleventh, when you are ready to grow up and put your big boy britches on, maybe we can have a legitimate conversation. Until then, keep calling people names and then backing out saying you did nothing wrong and that the other person started it. Seriously, do it. You just look like a bigger moron each time.
Twelfth, I daresay I am done speaking to you now. You may come on and post and have the last word. No need for me to speak anymore. But I'm going to pray for ya and hope that you open your mind and eyes to the opinions of others in a much more professional manner.
And as my wonderful region in which I exist so famously says,
"Bless your little heart."
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Baby Ghoul1 votesCongrats. You managed to embarrass yourself more than the guy before you. No small accomplishment.
I'm not gonna read that mess because like I said, what you say is irrelevant, so you can go ahead and make 100 points, it ain't gonna change that you were wrong in the way you spoke to me. Don't be rude and nasty, and you won't have that come back at ya. Keep up with the childish name calling, you're really just proving my point. In your bff's words, "your talking out your ass" now.
I'm not going to reply kindly to anyone quoting me the way you two did, and if you don't like that then don't do it. I'm not pretending to be better than anyone else. I will be the first to admit that I'm very petty when someone gives me a reason, which is why it's not a good idea to be rude to me when I wasn't rude to you first.
Remember some people clap back, and I'm one of them. Oh and until you're actually above the rest of us, you probably shouldn't be bringing up anyone's ELO. Just a heads up bud.
Mayor Stubbs2 votesYea I get what you're saying but if anyone goes 2-9-2 it's gonna be a very tough win
Borkahn1 votesNot impossibly though. Understanding who falls off and building resistance to slow down the game to the speed you need is key.
Mayor Stubbs1 votesNot impossibly though. Understanding who falls off and building resistance to slow down the game to the speed you need is key.
Yea but having an ADC go 2-9-2 isn't an impossible win either. I'm simply saying that was such an extreme example it applies to pretty much every role.
darkmatchwaldo2 votesIt's actually REALLY easy to compensate for a temporarily useless ADC. Incapacitate the other teams biggest damage threats yourself before they kill your ADC...problem solved. Top laners/Mid laners/Junglers carry the game. The ADC is around to take care of those pesky tanks with 4k hp. If you're doing your job correctly, you're taking out anyone who can hurt your ADC or peeling for them if the frontline tries to lock them down.
Borkahn1 votes making plays from the top all over to guarantee you will not feed.