Riot Please Buff Mages.

Rainfall·Nov 12, 2017·10 votes·656 views

and combined have 36% playrate. thats more than the bottom 20 mages in league of legends. 12 out of 38 least played champions are mages. Please do not turn AP champions into glorified supports.

33 Comments

RainfallNov 12, 20173 votes

many downvotes no comments,i would like to see some arguments on how mages are currently strong.

ModWulf HelhammerNov 12, 20173 votes

Playrate is not an indicator of strength.

It's an indicator of popularity, and nothing short of completely hamstringing those two champions and basically removing their current kit will change that.

KhristophorosNov 12, 20172 votes

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Playrate is not an indicator of strength.

It's an indicator of popularity, and nothing short of completely hamstringing those two champions and basically removing their current kit will change that.

Sounds like a good plan

EedatNov 12, 20173 votes

TwistedFate and Malzahar have similar pick rates than them, but higher winrates. Why arent you complaining about them?

RainfallNov 12, 20171 votes

yes malzahar is super strong right now i know it i play him,if riot is to buff mages they would surely nerf him.

EedatNov 12, 20172 votes

A ton of mages are super strong right now which is why you're thread got downvoted so hard

RainfallNov 12, 20172 votes

thats not true

EedatNov 12, 20172 votes

Its is lmao

https://imgur.com/a/VeG14

Again, hence why your thread is getting downvoted

LightIsMyPathNov 13, 20171 votes

"mages are strong"--- shows high winrate on a cc/spellshield support and a mage as strong as his ability to go down botlane to give them advantage.

EedatNov 13, 20171 votes

Full AP Morgana MID with full offensive runes: 53% WR

Full AP Zilean MID with full offensive runes: 56% WR

Yeah dude "supports". Mages arent weak no matter how much you guys cry about it

LightIsMyPathNov 13, 20171 votes

The fact they are full AP with offensive runes doesn't change the fact that their kits contains ccs, a spellshield, XP buff for someone else, a movement speed buff and a revive. The fact these kind of second support are dominating mid should say a lot about the state of the lane. (and btw they both used offensive setups even on the old system and even when going support)

Chembaron YamadaNov 13, 20171 votes

If you click on the picture, you see a much longer list. Heimerdinger Malzahar Anivia AurelionSol TwistedFate Ziggs Annie Xerath Velkoz Vladimir

All these mages are somewhere between 51 and 55% winrate, which is fairly strong. The statement is true, there are alot of strong mages right now.

LightIsMyPathNov 13, 20171 votes

My phone is fucked and refuses to open the full picture so thanks a lot for listing them for me. Now I feel like a fool having considered only 2 of them :p and I 'm happily surprised there are actually traditional mages in the list :)

JmmanNov 13, 20171 votes

Nice job to edit out the play rates.... I see that wouldn't back up your point it showing them without it would..... I c what you do thar

EedatNov 13, 20171 votes

Highest pick rate mid is TwistedFate and he also has a 53% WR. Mages so weak :( better bitch about 46% WR Yasuo xD

JmmanNov 13, 20171 votes

correct but most of the "mages" on the list have a low play rate

A correct data would remove the outliner. See you don't care is only main play a champ that has a .60% play rate Than should have a higher than 50% winrate don't you think.

Heim 1.4% play rate, Anivia 2.5%, Aurelion sol 1%, etc etc .... meaning Zed and Yasuo might have more games played than everyone combined on that list. funny isn't it.

You thin that because a hand full of mages are ok that the rest should be in the gutter?

There are 5 ad user compared to 34 mages. And all I here is see the same 5 are stong we need to make sure the 5 AD are just as strong nerf mages more... har har har...

No math should say that if 6 mages are strong then 1 ad should be. Plus Mid doesn't matter once a top tank or adc get past mid game.

Love how you used the adc that builds AP as a "strong" mage. His burst is from Auto procs ROFL.... why not list a real mage?

edit: 57.5% ban rate zed and 40.8% Yas....... seems like ALOT of people agree with me.

edit 2: Shen (4.54%) Ez (3.52%) Corki (3.32%) yorick (3.15%) teem (3.06%) are the highest win rate raises from this patch.

EedatNov 13, 20171 votes

meaning Zed and Yasuo might have more games played than everyone combined on that list. funny isn't it.

TF has a higher pickrate and win rate than Zed. Malz, Ori, TF, and Kass ALL have higher pickrate than Yasuo and ALL have much higher winrates.

???????

Its literally not possible to have every mid laner over 50%. Literally not possible.

Out of the top 20 winrates for mid, there is literally TWO AD champs with a combined pickrate of 6%. the other 18 are all AP lol.

Yeah but mages are so weak :(

JmmanNov 13, 20171 votes

You still have no clue do you. only 2 ad champs that leaves 3 ad champs and 16 mages out of the lane. But wait can't zed and yas go top?

My quotes are from 7.22 rate rates below.

TF 6.6% gobal, 8.6% plat +

Yas 10.7% global, 12.8% plat +

Zed 13.9% global, 7.9% plat +

Then look at the TF 3.7% ban rate to yas 41% and Zed 58%

Crazy how wrong you can be right.......

TF is more AD that uses AP still is not a realy mage they relies on spell and not auto procs.

zed, talon, Yas Jayce corkie are 5 of 39 champs that play mid. they are play 29.1% of the time. They make up 12% of the champ pool for mid but have almost 30% of popularity. explain that if "mages are so strong"

EedatNov 13, 20171 votes

Jesus christ dude fine lets look at pick rate then:

https://imgur.com/a/djvtR

The top AP mid pick rates:

TwistedFate 11.44% pick rate: 52.54% WR

Orianna 10.13% pick rate: 50.84% WR

Malzahar 10.12% pick rate: 53.63% WR

Kassadin 9.81% pick rate: 50.66% WR

Total: 41.5% pick rate, Average 51.91% win rate

The top AD mid pick rates:

Zed 11.23% pick rate: 50.61% win rate

Yasuo 8.27% pick rate: 46.39% win rate

Talon 6.28% pick rate: 50.03% win rate

Jayce 4.59% pick rate: 51.28% win rate

Total: 30.37% pick rate, Average 49.47% win rate

Poor mages so weak :( they get picked more AND still win more :( Rito hates mages :( unplayable :( AD master race :( I'm gonna cry about 46% WR Yasuo now :(

JmmanNov 13, 20171 votes

Link your source because isn't to league of graphs or op.gg. I told you my source from graph you are just post shit that doesn't make anything.

edit you do realize that shows 4 mages and rest assassins.... yes some assassin's use ap but they aren't mages.

edit two: oh you think anything that uses ap is a mage silly you. that is like comparing adc to ad assassin.

EedatNov 13, 20171 votes

Too bad that it is op.gg :)

https://imgur.com/a/n32Xc

poor mages :(

JmmanNov 14, 20171 votes

total agree.

4 maybe 5 mages (still don't think tf is a mage but what ever) to 7 / 8 assassins.

Seems like they need to nerf Assassins's and buff the other mages. I totally agree. I knew you would come after after you look at all the information.

Heck that is 3 sites now that show 60% of the ad mid in the top 12. And that Assassins are crowding out mages. only like 20% of the mages and a really high number of assassins compared to mages mid.

(oh op.gg shows Korea data I believe. Still a tool but not as good as graphs.)

SiytherNov 13, 20171 votes

malz .the new ryze nerf after nerf ppl still thin is is broken , how long til his next rework ?

KhristophorosNov 12, 20172 votes

I'd rather they gut Yasuo

SalronNov 13, 20171 votes

They already did down to 46% WR this patch http://puu.sh/ykNuM/88933f115e.jpg

Colton147Nov 13, 20172 votes

Majority of the mages are weak; however, there are some mages that are still strong. Orianna Anivia Malzahar TwistedFate AurelionSol

AhrisNov 13, 20171 votes

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Majority of the mages are weak; however, there are some mages that are still strong.

Is Ori and Sol still strong? Imo I think they are pretty bad.

Colton147Nov 13, 20171 votes

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Is Ori and Sol still strong? Imo I think they are pretty bad.

When in the right hands to be honest. :)

AhrisNov 13, 20171 votes

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When in the right hands to be honest. :)

Any champ is strong in the right hand.

NTrumpWeTrustNov 12, 20171 votes

Mage's pretty decent right now, the trick is to ban assassins every game

Meep ManNov 13, 20171 votes

Almost all of the slots for highest win rate in Middle Lane are held by Mages or AP Assassins. Mages in general are not weak. If we are talking buffs, we should specify certain champions instead of the entire role.

In fact, upon further inspection, non-Mages/AP Assassins have been almost completely crowded out of Middle Lane and into other lanes. The only ones that continue to survive are Zed, Talon, Jayce, and Gangplank. The rest are AP users that are either a Mage, AP Assassin, Mage/Support hybrid, or AP Bruiser.

MizayaNov 13, 20171 votes

Actually, there is good reason to believe that this patch seriously buffed magic damage. Corki has had a big winrate spike, and meanwhile Talon's winrate significantly dropped, so that the highest AD midlaner this patch is Jayce at 50.7%, the 23rd highest. Above him are 17 mages, 2 AP assassins, Diana, Corki, and Kayle.