@Meddler What's your stance on kog maw in his current state?

TheSingularity··8 votes·746 views

He certainly isn't weak by any means, sitting at a nice 53% win rate in both the jungle and bot lane with a half decent play rate.

However despite the current strength of his kit, it feels like it lacks cohesiveness, is uninteractive and a tad unhealthy, being "press W and watch the world burn". I find in most games I play as kog maw or when I spectate another kog maw, we completely disregard our q, only getting it because the game forces us to, then to ignore its very existence. Very rarely does the ult serve any significant role either.

He does live up to his fantasy as a mixed dmg dealing tank shredder, but I feel as though, despite how many build options there are, that building anything other than an on-hit atk speed sentry build is a death sentence.

Am I personally a fan of current kog? Not really and I'd pick the old kog purely out of personal preference. Besides..... how could anyone resist that butterfly skin. [slayer-pantheon-rainbows] This is primarily because all of his spells were useful, the kit interactive; q for more shred, w for range, e for slow, ult for snipes/tri force procs.....oh the snipes. And you could actually kite while his w was active. Now it's just e to slow, press w and hope you get peeled for. As you can't possibly kite or weave in ults with that much atk speed.

Anyway: Overall are you felas happy/satisfied with kog maw in his current state? If not, what would be the most likely thing to change?

Would you agree that his w takes away allot of power and freedom from both his kit and his playstyle? If not, why? (Would love another perspective) If yes, any hints for future change directions?

Personally I'd like some emphasis removed from his w and chucked into his q and/or ult. But I'm aware that you felas are hard at work with the worlds patch, assassin update and client update, so best of luck on all fronts. [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

PS:Everyone else's input is more than welcome :)

10 Comments

Auz the Ripper2 votes

I personally feel he's fine although I understand what you're saying, especially regarding his Q, but you should remember that the all of his animation speeds are doubled during his W as well as you shouldn't feel bad about ulting at the least.

TheSingularity1 votes

If only his movement animation speed was doubled while his actual ms remined the same

EndlessSorcerer2 votes

I miss the pre-rework Kog'maw. It just seemed like he was much more flexible in his build-path and playstyle.

LadyRenly2 votes

I like him personally. He is strong, but is easily shut down and everyone in the meta messes with him pretty hard.

Literally any slight CC or disruption such as Yasuos windwall will nullify his W, causing him to awkwardly stand around until its back up. Teams I find consistently have at least 2-5 individual champs with hard CC so its an absolute nightmare to try and get any meaningful DPS off since pretty much 100% of your meaningful combat damage is purely from autos(E is used for slow, r is merely to snipe execute)

Honestly, if you are playing someone like Blitz/Leona/Draven/Lucian and let Kog leave the lane phase with 0 deaths and healthy farm, you literally give up the right to complain about him. That's like going "OMFG SO OP" when you let Veigar free stack all lane. He wants to scale, so going even is a loss for you.

TheSingularity1 votes

Just in terms of how he feels. Do you prefer the feel of the new kog over the previous iteration? (Explain)

MunchCrunchLunch1 votes

but every adc is right click and watch the world burn for the most part. how is kog any difference? at least he actually hits W. and doesn't lifesteal like a mother fucker.

TheSingularity1 votes

Varus, corki, lucian and jhin would beg to differ. Yes all use aa as a staple part of their design. But none of them press a single spell then a move down the map. All of them have cohesive kits that require proper utilisation to have optimal outcomes. Kog used to be part of this pack

MunchCrunchLunch1 votes

no they woultn't beg to differ except for corki.

at least cog is powerful when his W is up otherwise hes bearable. not nuke everyone and all the 2ndary hurricane targets. an adc is a bitch that hides behind champs and kill you while the rest hold your hands down.

TheSingularity1 votes

Firstly you dismiss my argument without explaining why u see it that way. Secondly the rest of it is random crap that doesn't build on an existing argument nor does it provide any new ones. You merely stated your own opinions with no evidence to support them.

My evidence? Look at their kits. None of em only need one spell and auto attacks to function.

zlumpy1 votes

His ult feels better for sniping so to speak now. Less poke more finish off runners.

Agreed on the Q not being of much use. His E feels bad a little as well since he is so immobile that anyone with a gap closer gets to him no problem. Wouldn't mind some power shift to E and Q maybe give him bonus range on the E since it is puke related and so is his AA. Like using E and then W gives him the long shots instead of all the power just being on W

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