Why didn't the world's champions receive nerfs?

Unlucky47··6 votes·750 views

There was a very clear meta at worlds. And to my understanding, metas dont revolve around balanced champions.

Jayce has insane poke and all in

Kennens and rumbles ults can equalize and win team fights in a second

Syndra, sol, cassiopeia, and ryze are some of the most dominant mids in the game

Lee and elise are decent with the new jungle changes and still retain their ridiculous early pressure

Jhin has been one of the top adcs in most comps since the patch after release

Am I missing something Riot? Old worlds footage used to have champions like yasuo or azir or tf or gragas. What happened to that? They got nerfed after being too strong in the competitive field. So what's the difference with the above listed champions? Why haven't they received any changes at all? I know syndra's getting nerfed but thats the only one I've seen.

Maybe stop being so selective about who you nerf. If you're going to nerf a champion for being strong in competitive then nerf those champions.

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Mysticman892 votes

Things that are effective in a pro player environment with coordinated 5 man squads are not necessarily (and usually aren't) effective in solo queue, and what champions are capable of in the hands of some of the most mechanically gifted players in the world isn't necessarily indicative of the strength of the champion in non-pro play (even including relatively high elo play).

As a result of that, the question isn't "Is this champion balanced?", but "is this champion balanced at a particular MMR in a (solo/team) environment, and how oppressive/useless is it outside that environment?" since being balanced at all MMR's for both solo and team play is not realistic for any non-trivial champion.

In some cases champions might be fine at most levels of play, but get completely oppressive in the hands of gods (e.g. azir) to the point where they need to nerf it, but that can leave the champion basically trash for everyone who isn't a god. The gods can probably still use the nerfed champion an be on a roughly level playing ground with other picks, but 'other picks' likely have a lower skill ceiling so they generally won't bother as theres a bigger margin for error.

Many of the champions from this worlds received a number of nerfs leading up to worlds, and weren't necessarily oppressively strong in worlds. There were some post worlds nerfs/bugfixes (protobelt had a bug which was fixed after worlds for example) which may have also impacted those champions strengths without directly nerfing them. All the preseason stuff also has had lots of rippling effects, so things strong in the worlds meta may not be as strong when theres a fresh batch of assassins around and the jungle is a bit different and various other things.

Basically, they might have seen their power levels in worlds and saw they're stronger than ideal, but deemed them within acceptable boundaries since the game isn't balanced around worlds level play. Or, they may have seen their power level at worlds, and felt they were out of line, but wanted to see the impact of preseason changes first before making direct nerfs.

hunterspec1 votes

I just want them to nerf them all so we can see some new champs. also sol? dominant? lol

ChaddyFantome1 votes

There was a very clear meta at worlds. And to my understanding, metas dont revolve around balanced champions.

That is a very narrow minded way of looking at the game. yes, broken shit will get abused at worlds, but metas don't form exclusively because something is broken.

Metas form because something is popular/strong/effective, and then strategies around said strat form. Regardless of the game or a particular thing being balanced or not, metas form as a consequence of the mere existence of a game having any PvP element to begin with.

Or do u wanna start nerfing Support MF because lolworlds.

Unlucky471 votes

Im saying we should nerf champions based on them being unhealthy. Worlds is a great place to see some of the unhealthiest champions. Maybe, when lee sin has a guaranteed pick or ban for the entire tournament, he might need to be looked at.

ChaddyFantome1 votes

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Im saying we should nerf champions based on them being unhealthy. Worlds is a great place to see some of the unhealthiest champions. Maybe, when lee sin has a guaranteed pick or ban for the entire tournament, he might need to be looked at.

and im sure riot has and is doing just that/ malzahar just got touch ups last patch even.

Leo10241 votes

But Taliyah does good in a few LCS games and she gets gutted

x Kuro x1 votes

I think the bigger question is.. how could Riot increase the champion pools used at worlds?

Nerfing the champions used each year doesn't seem to dramatically increase the champion pools used the next year. They just switch to a different small pool.

For example, DOTA2 sees a huge variety of champions used at their version of worlds. What is different about LoL champion design that leads to such little champion variety at worlds?

CerealBoxOfDoom1 votes

You don't need a huge variety of champions at worlds. This is not actually indicative of good game balance. What you do want is to have a tournament where the best players are the ones playing their favorite champion instead of just spending another day at work.

paisy1 votes

Better nerf Shen

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