The Stormrazor nerf at the end of season 8 bumped her down from being probably overpowered to a situational pick, but the Stormrazor rework completely destroyed her.
At the very least, the nerfs she suffered as a result of the original Stormrazor synergizing too well with her kit (prior to it being nerfed) should be reverted.
Mordepool3 votesInject Quinn with Counterplay please
Doge20202 votesYou most likely know a lot on how to play against Quinn, I’m just showing you some examples of counterplay and some general tips for other people that might need it.
Well if you have any ranged poke then you can deal with Quinn very easily. Quinn is only good in melee matchups, and even more against full melee champs (like Garen and Mordekaiser), she struggles hard against ranged champs because she can’t easily get her combo off without receiving some or a lot of damage, she is really squishy so any poke is really effective against her. And if she is pushed up she is very easy to gank if your laner (if you are the jungler that is trying to gank Quinn) has Quinn use e and hopefully q too right before you gank. That way she is forced to use flash to escape, which opens her up for a free kill if she pushes up again and your laner does the same thing. Using CC on her after her E and making sure you are behind minions when she goes for a combo will help a lot in trades. Your minions will block her q if she tries to use it after getting the first harrier proc from e.
Oh and BACK THE FUCK UP WHEN HER PASSIVE MARKS YOU. Not the part where it marks a target hit by q/e/second part of R, but the part where Valor periodically marks a nearby target. This situation gives her a lot of damage in a trade and depending on your health, the quinn’s Items and runes this situation of her combo (first harrier proc, e, another harrier, electrocute proc, q, another harrier proc) might be enough to kill you without getting return damage/kill on her.
As a Quinn player (kinda main) I have experienced all of this, as both the Quinn and the melee champ she is dicking on.
Daddy ReTaric2 votesYou most likely know a lot on how to play against Quinn, I’m just showing you some examples of counterplay and some general tips for other people that might need it.
Well if you have any ranged poke then you can deal with Quinn very easily. Quinn is only good in melee matchups, and even more against full melee champs (like Garen and Mordekaiser), she struggles hard against ranged champs because she can’t easily get her combo off without receiving some or a lot of damage, she is really squishy so any poke is really effective against her. And if she is pushed up she is very easy to gank if your laner (if you are the jungler that is trying to gank Quinn) has Quinn use e and hopefully q too right before you gank. That way she is forced to use flash to escape, which opens her up for a free kill if she pushes up again and your laner does the same thing. Using CC on her after her E and making sure you are behind minions when she goes for a combo will help a lot in trades. Your minions will block her q if she tries to use it after getting the first harrier proc from e.
Oh and BACK THE FUCK UP WHEN HER PASSIVE MARKS YOU. Not the part where it marks a target hit by q/e/second part of R, but the part where Valor periodically marks a nearby target. This situation gives her a lot of damage in a trade and depending on your health, the quinn’s Items and runes this situation of her combo (first harrier proc, e, another harrier, electrocute proc, q, another harrier proc) might be enough to kill you without getting return damage/kill on her.
As a Quinn player (kinda main) I have experienced all of this, as both the Quinn and the melee champ she is dicking on.
100% Agree with you. Quinn have counterplay and it's easy to abuse when you know them. Not to mention she is mana hungry on early level specially with ultimate level 1.
Mordepool2 votesHer counterplay is limited. Her Vault ability offers NONE.
Daddy ReTaric1 votesHer counterplay is limited. Her Vault ability offers NONE.
False and false. Champion with dash like trynd can get in your face the direction you want yo vault in and deny you. Use vault on Darius if he have apprehend and I can tell you it will end bad for you. Get silenced and be completly useless if Garen Q hit you because if you try to vault, his Q will connect.. she is also gated by mana where a lot of top champion have either no ressource , energy or fury..
Mordepool2 votesA few champions having the ability to gap close after she vaults is champion specific counterplay. Which is the same as having hard counters. Which Riot doesnt approve of.
She vaults and your slowed heavily can't even disengage the slows so powerful. Your face tanking 3-4 AA because she pressed 1 button. Thats Not counterplay.
Doge20201 votesBut taking advantage of the CD on her e during lane to dash in/engage and do your own trade or your jungler ganking Quinn immediately after she uses her E and Q is counterplay in a way. Her strength isn’t from just auto attacks, it’s also with her abilities and the fact that they refresh a mark that deals more damage.
Yenn1 votesA few champions having the ability to gap close after she vaults is champion specific counterplay. Which is the same as having hard counters. Which Riot doesnt approve of.
She vaults and your slowed heavily can't even disengage the slows so powerful. Your face tanking 3-4 AA because she pressed 1 button. Thats Not counterplay.
Try building Rylai. Vault is a 12-8 second cooldown. You can quite literally just ult her, then walk up and two shot her while she's slowed.
Quinn has some of (possibly the?) worst defensive stats in the game. She's currently not viable in bottom lane because she can't trade with the support.
Mordepool1 votesRylais doesn't negate the gap she just created Or do anything about the 3-4 autos coming my way. Even with my Minute plus ult and Nimbus cloak i only have a Chance at catching & killing her. Where as her Vault will be up 5 times before my ult will be.
So 4.5 times outa 5 i lose to an ability with no counterplay.
The amount i have to invest to win is so much greater than what she has to do.
Just my opinion though.
Doge20201 votesHer e makes her follow the target no matter what until the ability is completed. there has been many times where I would use e on somebody, but they would flash or use a dash into the middle of their team, then there would be me, awkwardly arriving there into the hungry arms of the enemy team.
One of her biggest counterplay chances is range, if she can’t get near to use e and q then she has no damage, and in general she Is really bad against poke. a Lux with her regular combo can easily 100-0 a Quinn if the Quinn doesn’t have a GA or QSS.
Frosted Tips2 votesLol alot of champions can destroy Quinn if she attempts to vault.
- gets a free fling
- gets a free flip
- gets a free pull
- gets a free E
- gets a free E
- gets a free stun
- gets a free Knock up
- gets a free god tier pillar
- gets a free flip
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Lol alot of champions can destroy Quinn if she attempts to vault.
I'm 99% sure Morde's third Q animation is also fast enough to hit her before the Vault connects
Doge20201 votesYeah it feels really bad when I just finished a lvl 6 gank at bot, used r to just go a slight distance before I use Skyfall for another fight (like a gank in mid, a fight in the botside river, or to go kill drag) then using R again to go defend top from my laner who is most likely wailing at my tower and got 1-2 or maybe even 3 plates while I was gone.
Daddy ReTaric1 votesPeople who say Quinn have no counterplay are biased.