Daily reminder that Sated Devourer is still broken and STILL ruining jungle diversity.

SaltyToplaneGoat··4 votes·1,353 views

Because apart from maybe two champions who can use Cinderhulk well there is literally no reason to pick a single jungler over: Kayle Udyr MasterYi Shyvana and maybe XinZhao . You want to play a warrior jungler? Too bad they all have more damage. You want a tank? well, they all have item 3153 as a core item. You want a mage jung- ah wait, those don't exist anyways. At least not in that space we call viable, and even then the only POTENTIAL pick would be Nidalee .

On-hit effects were limited to a certain hit number for a reason. Now Yi shreds over 1k true damage in a few seconds, Kayle's lategame is so broken that I feel like a cheater for even picking her, and so on and so on.

On top of that those champions are all hell to play against as they are ALL, and I repeat, ALL from an era when Riot had no fucking clue how to make a melee basic attacker work in a non-toxic way. Look at the Fiora gameplay on PBE. Despite the %max true damage I call that good design. Those I named up there? High sustained damage packed together with high mobility. I think it should be clear why this is a bad mix. Who cares if this Yi is squishy if he murders your tanks and you backline before you can even cc him (and the dodges that CC with a Q)? Why even bother trying to peel that Udyr away from your carry if he just kills you instead within a few seconds? Why even bother playing the game when Kayle has reached lategame and could easily 1vs5 your team?

And the biggest problem: basic attacks have no counter play. Unless you're jax dodging is not in the question. Usually those champs should be limited by the fact that they are melee, but now they melt you so fast that they can dive in and at leats murder two before they can be actually killed.

You know, wasn't the overlying goal not "jungle DIVERSITY?" - because that's what you killed this time even harder than with the feral flare release.

23 Comments

LadyRenly3 votes

Devourer literally encourages early game junglers and plays. I've been using Yi a lot, but my worst enemy is the jungler who needs little in ways of items and just gets things done early, I gotta leave my stacks or my gold trying to start getting stacks in order to preserve the balance of power.

SaltyToplaneGoat2 votes

Plot Twist: Early game means jack shit as most games are impossible to end under 35 minutes. And picking a champion like Shaco pretty much means trading an early advantage for making my team fight 4vs5 later because my champ has the relevance of a melee minion with a steath trick.

Invading forces you to take a risk that could easily ruin your game completly, so...

AtheosisX3 votes

Even if games don't end before 35 minutes if one team gets a huge lead early they will usually still win. So no, early game does not mean jack shit.

SaltyToplaneGoat1 votes

Nah, that might have been some easons ago, but with all the changes to snowballing, game pase and the increase of comback potential the early game has become more and more irrelevant. Picking a champion with a strenght early means to have your champ weak at a point of the game where it acutally matters... and then you lose because the enemy team gets stronger.

AtheosisX3 votes

You make it sound like coming back is easy when it categorically is not. Just because the game is less snowbally than it used to be doesn't mean it isn't still fairly snowbally.

SaltyToplaneGoat1 votes

But not snowbally enough to end a game before the sated devourer jungler starts murdering everybody.

SaltyToplaneGoat2 votes

Aaaand the first Yi main threw a downvote. Why am I not even surprised?

599GTOxx2 votes

Kayle doesn't use BORK... other than that.. yea you're correct.

SaltyToplaneGoat2 votes

Some people build it on her, although she pretty much shreds everything without it. Her passive combined with a Wit's End tears down even the strudiest tanks...

Kersh1 votes

Elise just got a strong buff making her towards borderline Op so she has been in almost everygame I have played and I only see the others now when she is banned. However the only issue I see is Udyr and Shyv they are so hard to deal with Yi and Kayle not s much but Udyr was always a monster and this just make in beyond godly.

SaltyToplaneGoat1 votes

Not really seen her yet in my games and what I have seen has appeared pretty normal to me. Didn't she just get a buff on her stun or something?

Kersh1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Kyoki Shinkuro,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=fFuRTkWs,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2015-07-26T04:53:46.646+0000)

Not really seen her yet in my games and what I have seen has appeared pretty normal to me. Didn't she just get a buff on her stun or something?

Not just her stun her spiderlings got a huge buff. Due to spiderlings she can pretty much 100-0 you in 2 seconds with only a little just magic pen.

SaltyToplaneGoat1 votes

Hmmm. The thing is: Elise is relatively hard to to play. There is a lot of room for miscalculating and screwing up, even if you are fed as hell. Now, compare that to rightlick spamming devourer junglers...

Kersh1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Kyoki Shinkuro,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=fFuRTkWs,comment-id=0003000000000000,timestamp=2015-07-27T00:22:01.533+0000)

Hmmm. The thing is: Elise is relatively hard to to play. There is a lot of room for miscalculating and screwing up, even if you are fed as hell. Now, compare that to rightlick spamming devourer junglers...

I never found her hound pretty easy learning curve. It definetly doesn't change the fact that even though I love and right no shes is a easy win pick or perma bann that buff was a bit too much. I would prefer tweaking her to where she is difficult and has risk and reward before it was high risk no reward and now its basicially low risk high reward.

FantasticAznDude1 votes

You forgot ww in that list Warwick

SaltyToplaneGoat1 votes

He's a top-candidate for reworks and doesn't deal as much as the others. His ult is is extremly annoying tho... But's apart from the ult he is by far not as dangerous as the others...

NemeBro1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Kyoki Shinkuro,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=fFuRTkWs,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2015-07-26T04:47:15.716+0000)

He's a top-candidate for reworks and doesn't deal as much as the others. His ult is is extremly annoying tho... But's apart from the ult he is by far not as dangerous as the others...

Yet has a much higher win rate.

Sated devourer is fine. It didn't make carry junglers like Yi or Jax broken, it just made them viable.

Average game length is less than 35 minutes.

Baby Ghoul1 votes

I have yet to beat one of them that has reached late game. Does anyone have any advice on what to do when Shyvana Kayle Warwick hit late game with that item? You can't always cut them off by mid game despite their weak lane presence. It just does not always work out that way.

I think it would be nice to know so I don't have to fill the ban section up with just Sated Devourer champions.

SaltyToplaneGoat1 votes

If there was then I wouldn't be posting here. Either ban all of them or pick a Satded Devourer jungler yourself, these are the options you have. All other junglers will most likely lose you the game...

Tails Doll1 votes

Pick Vi, win. Early game ganks. Early game invasions. Late game peel plus armor shed. Stop thinking Sated junglers are unstoppable, all you need is a jungler with half a brain to delay his sated till 25+ min, and snowball your team enough so that when he got it he is basically useless.

Also, just because you can close a game pre 35 doesnt mean none can. "Get gud son" feels appropriate.

Glitter Vixen1 votes

I had a game we had all but won, then lost to a Vi, with Sated Devourer.

Beerstein1 votes

JG is finally impacting the game, and now we're seeing other champions like Elise joining the ranks, it's a good time. For too long Junglers trailed behind their teams, now they stand beside them. Here's to hoping more and more join those ranks.

Hasztalan21 votes

Daily reminder that devourer is not op , and brone laners who got comfortable by "oh jungle can only build tanky and cc" should get their shit together. If u let a Shyvana or Kayle freefarm the jungle for 20 minutes you deserve to lose just like you let a Nasus or Jax freefarm for the same amount of time.

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