Tanky Bruisers feel so unbeatable sometimes

AstroFerrari ·Jan 24, 2016·11 votes·2,007 views

Even if the rest of the team is doing well, there's always that with then going full tank and blowing everyone away unless 2 or 3 people try to focus him down. Or with just a tanking out burst and laying waste to 3 people by himself lol. Out of all champions I regularly play against, these champs feel almost impossible to beat. And it's even more frustrating knowing they dont even have to build any damage and delete your carries and assassins. Are there any efficient methods for dealing with these champions besides relying on CC?

33 Comments

SoundChaosDebugJan 24, 20164 votes

I miss turtle stance giving mana steal

AhristocatsJan 24, 20161 votes

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I miss turtle stance giving mana steal

udyr used to steal mana?

D357R0Y3RJan 24, 20161 votes

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udyr used to steal mana?

nop, but used to gain mana when he attacked his enemies, never stole mana.

MelledoneusJan 24, 20161 votes

So you're telling me that Udyr used to steal your mana...

RIOT WHAT THE HECK?!? BRING IT BACK!

K54Jan 24, 20164 votes

I've got triple kill after triple kill with Darius solely due to his Q passive and building full tank. Legitimately not a single offensive item. There isn't a real way to deal with these champs unless your whole team has reliable CC and can focus them without the enemy team interfering.

ACENOXJan 24, 20161 votes

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I've got triple kill after triple kill with solely due to his Q passive and building full tank. Legitimately not a single offensive item. There isn't a real way to deal with these champs unless your whole team has reliable CC and can focus them without the enemy team interfering.

pick Singed

buy item 3152 item 3116 item 3151

burn his hp every seconds while stealing 15% of it before resistance with a free slow. enjoy the free elo since darius can't do shit if singed is running everywhere.

not talking about item 3153 item 3034 item 3033 item 3026

D357R0Y3RJan 24, 20162 votes

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pick

buy

burn his hp every seconds while stealing 15% of it before resistance with a free slow. enjoy the free elo since darius can't do shit if singed is running everywhere.

not talking about

"beat a bruiser with a bruiser"

Surfer AsheJan 24, 20163 votes

Played against a tank Shaco (Titanic, Deadman's) that would still completely rape my HP bar but my sustained DPS would only tickle him.

Bruisers are back baby, except almost any melee can be a bruiser now.

Project omenJan 24, 20162 votes

That is the general idea of tanky bruisers. It feels like they deal damage because they focus the squishes, which don't have decent resistances, thus the big damage. I'm surprised you haven't even mentioned Irelia. But yeah, straight up dueling them might not be a good option, unless you have a fiora or a jax or a yasuo for example (although yasuo will most likely lose), so the best option is to kite them to oblivion, or, if that doesn't work, get peel from your team, provided that it has a decent amount of cc.

Edit: A really good Vayne would probably laugh at their efforts to get close to her.

Asayake 5150glowJan 24, 20162 votes

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That is the general idea of tanky bruisers. It feels like they deal damage because they focus the squishes, which don't have decent resistances, thus the big damage. I'm surprised you haven't even mentioned Irelia. But yeah, straight up dueling them might not be a good option, unless you have a fiora or a jax or a yasuo for example (although yasuo will most likely lose), so the best option is to kite them to oblivion, or, if that doesn't work, get peel from your team, provided that it has a decent amount of cc.

Edit: A really good Vayne would probably laugh at their efforts to get close to her.

You... think it's possible to kite a Udyr with Dead Man's Plate? I've had 2 games recently where a Udyr with nothing but a BoRK for dmg was the biggest threat on his team that we couldn't even catch or run from. This guy was literally running at over 500 MS normally.

Project omenJan 24, 20163 votes

I stated the alternative if kiting wasn't an option. Besides, what kind of team doesn't provide peel to an ally that is being chased by Udyr after early-game?

Asayake 5150glowJan 24, 20163 votes

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I stated the alternative if kiting wasn't an option. Besides, what kind of team doesn't provide peel to an ally that is being chased by Udyr after early-game?

But what if ur peel does fuckshit nothing? Udyr can easily dodge skillshots, a single stun won't stop him, and blowing your full combo (and still not killing him) means that the rest of their team can easily clean you up.

Plus, some teams don't have peel. :/

ShonjlJan 24, 20162 votes

How is that Udyr's fault? If your team or whoever has a lot of CC sucks, that is their fault, not the champions. While I am not thrilled when an Udyr gets ahead either, he literally has no teamfight presence if he doesn't.

Ever seen what happens to the Udyr that was in his jungle til 20 minutes and barely if even ganked and is 0/0? He literally is worthless all game.

MelledoneusJan 24, 20161 votes

On the contrary, he'll have level 18 while everyone is level 12.

Asayake 5150glowJan 24, 20161 votes

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How is that Udyr's fault? If your team or whoever has a lot of CC sucks, that is their fault, not the champions. While I am not thrilled when an Udyr gets ahead either, he literally has no teamfight presence if he doesn't.

Ever seen what happens to the Udyr that was in his jungle til 20 minutes and barely if even ganked and is 0/0? He literally is worthless all game.

I have to agree. Someone like Udyr... my main problem is that he has huge teamfighting if he gets ahead, and once it gets to late game, everyone is basically 'ahead'. He's also the best duelist. It's not like he becomes weaker because u have a full build, it's that he gets super strong once he gets that full build. Plus Udyr's are so amazing at ganking that you basically have to tower hug (problem with me since I always play super aggressive, but that's besides the point).

Project omenJan 24, 20161 votes

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Plus, some teams don't have peel. :/

If you pick a team with 0 peel, then you contradict yourself. You're basically letting Udyr walk over to your adc/carry and kill it, let alone any bruiser or assassin.

Silents429Jan 24, 20161 votes

I have played since Season 3, and to this day I don't think I have ever seen a reasonable amount of peel stop an Udyr. I don't even know why he isn't complained about more honestly.

ShonjlJan 24, 20161 votes

Probably because he has no teamfighting presence. Udyr is all about chasing people down and 1v1s. Teamfights he basically has to be tanky to actually do something, which is usually stun someone, hit once with tiger form, then go to next target.

If you allow him to get what he wants, which is split up and be alone, of course he is going to win. Probably the reason I never see him played ever. There is just better options. People that know how to Udyr will rock, but others can just pick champs that does what he does but better.

Silents429Jan 24, 20161 votes

That isn't how it's played out, he rushes through the front line and has his way with squishies while tanking damage and giggling off any attempt at CC.

And naturally you can't both focus him or ignore him or the rest of the enemy team will just destroy you.

He isn't really a healthy champion.

GubaguyJan 24, 20161 votes

lol... kite an olaf? best joke ive heard all day... Ill put that up there with kiting mundo, or tahm.

MatezoideJan 24, 20161 votes

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lol... kite an olaf? best joke ive heard all day... Ill put that up there with kiting mundo, or tahm.

Lol

Project omenJan 24, 20161 votes

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lol... kite an olaf? best joke ive heard all day... Ill put that up there with kiting mundo, or tahm.

Why can't people read? Wasn't I clear when I stated the alternative?

Mael broJan 24, 20161 votes

Because you try to 1v1 them in mid game. Olaf with item 3071 and item 3022 can pursue any low mobility mid champ or carry with ease.

LaserDeathBladeJan 24, 20161 votes

Idk how behind you have to be for an Udyr with Guinsoos to nuke you

These champs are really susceptible to CC and don't really do anything other than deal damage while being tanky, they'd be useless just like they were for most of S5 if they didn't have their ball of stats.

MunchCrunchLunchJan 24, 20161 votes

i hate tanky bruisers (juggernauts) too. laning against them is hell.. especially garen/darius/illaoi and even poppy. they just often have everything. tankiness. sustain. and damage. i

Project omenJan 24, 20161 votes

People seem to forget about these two Swain Vladimir Pretty good picks vs juggernauts if you ask me.

RismonaughtJan 24, 20161 votes

I was playing Udyr a couple weeks ago, he felt gud, really gud.

Getting a small fed on an Udyr can feel soo much more useful than fed on an adc. I've started with fed lanes many times with MF or Twitch and find myself helpless to whatever mess is developing in other lanes.

Not to be snide, I like the state of the game, it's just that the vision changes feels like league of junglers, mid and top still feel like they can throw any game anytime, and bot still feels like it doesn't carry unless I'm playing Sup Raka and nobody sees me healing.

La BarbotteJan 24, 20161 votes

they are built for that purpose, they are death machines that have to be kited and peeled off, not 1v1'd

Asayake 5150glowJan 25, 20161 votes

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they are built for that purpose, they are death machines that have to be kited and peeled off, not 1v1'd

Dead Man's plate makes that pretty much impossible now though. And that means bruisers are what Nunu was meant to be. Zone/objective control champs. But when they get Dead Man's... that much mobility kinda contradicts itself.

Dominick DestineJan 25, 20161 votes

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Dead Man's plate makes that pretty much impossible

No it doesn't.

La BarbotteJan 25, 20161 votes

the game is meant to be played draft, you pick according to your team and their team, so when you see bruisers you get mobility, cc and a peeler support here some good champs against those Anivia wall you cant run throught, R give your team time to kite Janna as long as she sticks with the carry, the bruiser wont be able to reach it JarvanIV most of them cant go out of the arena Kalista perfect pick against bruiser Leona cc give time for team to kill Lissandra ^ Lulu same as janna Nami same as janna Nautilus same as leona TahmKench W is perfect for peel Thresh perfect agaisnt bruisers, his cc rotation and lantern give the most peel besides janna Vayne can hold her own vs bruisers those champions are the easiest, and most obvious pick to counter bruisers if you go by champion pick alone, now you need to play according to the matchups and its a team effort to kite them, NOT a 1v1

IcyPepperJan 25, 20161 votes

knowing they dont even have to build any damage

To be fair, both of your examples had a damage item. Cleaver gives tanky and damage stats with an offensive passive, and rageblade... is rageblade.

From what I've seen and heard, the best way to deal with tanky bruisers is to counterbuild and counterplay appropriately given the specific champion. As a general rule (there are exceptions, but every class has those. Bruisers aren't special), soft cc helps kite the immobile ones, BORK typically helps against the HP stackers (especially cleaver rushers), and so on.

If you're playing a carry and you refuse or can't build a sixth defensive item, you have to rely on your teammates. If you can build a sixth defensive item, BV is good against bruisers who need to land a slowing skillshot (like Mundo) to get close, frozen mallet is good for those vulnerable to slows, GA is okay against those who rely on an entire combo and you're not at risk dying to the rest of the enemy team (Darius is one example here), and so on. If you're taking the kiting route, considering getting the furor boots enchantment.

There's not one given way to dealing with them, just like any other class. You can't deal with Vayne the same way you would deal with Ezreal.

But yes, they can be overbearing when overtuned and/or fed.

NazZomLordJan 25, 20161 votes

Lvl 5 Darius Main and i tell you what, if you truly do have trouble with the likes of the tanky Bruisers the best way is some ranged poke and some tank yourself. Gnar is pretty much the bane of my existence if they are good. Great kiting constant stream of damage and i cant go in when he can go mega and destroy and cc lock me.