Let's give a mage assassin 4 flashes in one ability for 100 mana

Creamy Seaman··6 votes·1,772 views

Let's give Ahri 4 flashes in one ability for 100 mana. Make her ranged. Give her HARD cc. Give her true damage. Make her HARD cc increase damage dealt. It's not fucking hard to land so shut the fuck up weebs. Have her 100 cost 4 flashes deal damage to 3 people and have them target people automatically.

Let's take away 50% of Kassadin damage. Cut his flash THAT COSTS A FUCK TON OF MANA in half. Oh yeah and he's melee. Let's make his only viable ability his E which is only up if you have some kind of spammy mage around you. Oh yeah and it wasn't hard CC either so it only made sense to cut the duration in half. And let's have him go oom after 1 and a half combos while he only takes 1/4 of your health.

Zed "Balance is weakness" - Zed, head of Riot balance team

Your downvotes are void if you provide 0 counter arguments. Probably weebs downvoting,

74 Comments

WalkingInACircle18 votes

Its actually 3 dashes, not 4 flashes. Being factually inaccurate doesn't help your case.

Creamy Seaman1 votes

stfu pretentious fuck "factually" is not a word

Sirsir12 votes

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/factually

The irony in using the phrase 'pretentious fuck'

Desiderium12 votes

Your aggravation makes it difficult for your points to be taken seriously.

Creamy Seaman2 votes

It's pretty fucking obvious what I'm saying you retarded english major.

Sirsir11 votes

He didn't say he didn't understand you, he said he can't take you seriously. Reading your comments doesn't help much either.

LegitBacon667 votes

What your fucking saying is that you can't fight an ahri so you will bitch about it. Your flat out ignorance about the game makes your argument completely invalid

GetBoomedOn11 votes

Also, OP you fucking suck balls and sound like a salty weeb, whatever that is.

Renaille9 votes

Lets create champions who late game do more damage with their auto attacks than most mages do with their ults. Caitlyn Vayne Varus Ashe Draven Jinx Graves

Apollocliptic1 votes

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Lets create champions who late game do more damage with their auto attacks than most mages do with their ults. Caitlyn Vayne Varus Ashe Draven Jinx Graves

Playing as Maokai - just rooted Vayne, about to smash her into a wall, gets pinned and killed in 2 seconds, death info: Static/skills/silver bolts/red = 1500 dmg AA = 3000 dmg IN TWO SECONDS WTF

PS. for the record, my late game Maokai (depending on situation) would typically have like 200 armour, 140 MR, 4000 - 5000 hp (maybe only 3800 if not got final items) plus passive healing

Colgate Gator9 votes

Ahri can only dash three times.

insaiyanbacca9 votes

i thought they removed the dmg amp on ahri's charm?

Sirsir5 votes

They did.

MankindTP8 votes

While I can see what you're trying to say, what makes this balance justifiable is that Kassadin has Riftwalk almost all the time, as long as he has the mana for it. Ahri on the other hand has a brief moment of three dashes. There is a difference in consistency, since Kassadin has Riftwalk often while Ahri has to use it more situationally.

Mana gating decreases the frustrating kind of Kassadin, where he can run away from you before you deal damage to him unlike Ahri who has cooldown gating, which makes her vulnerable while it's on cooldown. Each type and kit has it's own form of counterplay and damage type.

Ahri's Spirit Rush on CD? She's more vulnerable. Kassadin does'nt have mana for a subsequent Riftwalk? He's more vulnerable.

BluePolarizer1 votes

heres the thing: if Kassadin is running away he is dealing 0 damage since he's purely melee.

Ahri still deals a fk ton of damage when running away, and if you don't chase after her, she just nukes your team with Q poke.

MankindTP1 votes

Someone below does mention that Riot tried to keep Kassadin's identity and while it is still present somewhat, his assassin-like damage is relatively lower since then. It is true that Ahri was made to be a kiting mage and while running away she still does hurt, true damage included.

Would you rather propose an Ahri nerf or a Kassadin tweak? And I have good love for Kass, lore-wise he is trying to save us all from the Void. What parts of his kit do you feel will provide justification to both damage and retain his identity?

BluePolarizer1 votes

IMO his mobility spell should be for in combat use only. Easy fix: make it unit targettable only but revert the range nerf a bit, keep the high mana cost and low cooldowns, then bring him back to his old damage.

Apollocliptic1 votes

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IMO his mobility spell should be for in combat use only. Easy fix: make it unit targettable only but revert the range nerf a bit, keep the high mana cost and low cooldowns, then bring him back to his old damage.

Then he just becomes Akali, part of the reason for his Omni-dash is that he has such high mobility, easy escapes and jungle combat is suicide (you are unlikely to win, he'll escape if you're ahead and kill you if you're behind). so yeah, I wouldn't suggest buffing Kassa, as he sits in a nice place where he has clear strengths and weaknesses, Ahri on the other hand could use a slight debuff, but it's hard to pinpoint where. He R CD isn't so bad (like Bard or Galio) so unless she just used it in front of you, it's hard to know if it's up, whereas with other champs you know they used it in the last fight, so it will be on CD a bit longer.

Sailor Mint5 votes
  1. Spirit Rush grants her three 450-range dashes (Flash is a 425 Blink).
  2. Most ultimate mana costs are normalized to 100 mana.
  3. Spirit Rush's target acquisition range is effectively basic attack range.

Would you rather have three dashes every minute (Ahri)? Two dashes every 15 sec (LeBlanc) or a 3 sec CD blink only limited by mana (Kassadin)?

Apollocliptic1 votes

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  1. Spirit Rush grants her three 450-range dashes (Flash is a 425 Blink).
  2. Most ultimate mana costs are normalized to 100 mana.
  3. Spirit Rush's target acquisition range is effectively basic attack range.

Would you rather have three dashes every minute (Ahri)? Two dashes every 15 sec (LeBlanc) or a 3 sec CD blink only limited by mana (Kassadin)?

Kassadin easy! LB is annoying but easier to lock down if you have a stun and ACTUALLY focus her (as leona I actually kill lb, but if i go on her my adc tends to die to someone else, so it'd be nice to see someone else know how to deal with her). Ahri's dashes deal damage, and combined with flash, ms buff, AOE orbing and that charm and spell vamping, she dashes in and out and around a single team fight, killing 3 champs, and escaping before taking any significant damage.

Kassadin jumps in, MAYBE kills one champ, leona/maokai/brand/annie stun him, he soon dies, or escapes with 10 hp, but can't risk coming back unless the team run around in the jungle like noobs. Kassa can be boxed out of a fight, and is very skill dependant on both ends, Ahri can float in and out so freely and deal massive damage to multiple champs while taking almost non back. (And with LB who can burst a group if you cluster and combo a single target - she is incredibly powerful but also limited)

Out of the three, kassa is the weakest, Ahri is the strongest, but since people prefer an assassin who can instant the adc and escape, as opposed to a mage that can multi-nuke multiple enemies and poke down before bursting a single target, LB is preferred. (Ahri more powerful in team, LB is preferred by more selfish players)

Apollocliptic1 votes

That said, I just play Galio and destroy them all :D

Bemapon5 votes

It is very hard to even try to take this seriously with the amount of rage I see in the post and replies.

Your downvotes are void if you provide 0 counter arguments. Probably weebs downvoting.

I would actually was going to give you a legit counter argument, but I think it would be wasted on you.

Sirsir1 votes

Then for any poor souls that might take this seriously?

Bemapon5 votes

Ahri is quite squishy and if you can lock her down she dies very quickly. Playing someone like malz can really shut her down. She is also weak to being blown up by assassins like Leblanc and Zed. She is a strong champion but in no way overpowered unless she starts snowballing. This is true with pretty much every champ.

Kass is not quite back where he was before they changed his ult however they did a decent job of making up for the reduced range. He is still a strong pick and still has a considerable amount of mobility. His damage is a lot better than people think, especially with Ludens as his ult super charges it.

Sirsir3 votes

Luden's works on Ka- holy crap how didn't I see that ;-;

LegitBacon664 votes

Creating a post of ignorance like this is just dumb. You have a lot of incorrect facts.

I highly reccommend this post get deleted because of the posters terrible use of proper language and considerance.

Strongly suggest Riot removes this post. As any comment made to reply is then replied with an agressive inapropriate reply.

GetBoomedOn3 votes

Ahri sucks, lux, annie, malzahar, and leblanc fuck her in the mouth.

Sirsir1 votes

Ahri counters Annie

Neo Cyrus4 votes

Other way around.

Anyway... http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/38292423#profile

Nothing to see here folks, move along.

Sirsir1 votes

Range.

I suppose you could say its a skill matchup. But a good Ahri will beat a good Annie

Neo Cyrus3 votes

Is this a joke? Stop and think about what each champion does and what it can do to the other in a realistic scenario. Annie has always been a counter to Ahri.

Apollocliptic2 votes

Anni can burst ahri with her stun, but when her stun is not up, anni is very vulnerable to Ahris aggressive playstyle and sustain. Some match ups are obviously one sided, but ahri vs anni will come down to the skill of each champ (target abilities have always been a counter to mobility champs, but Ahri is not like Zed or Yasuo or Kata, to which the risk for using her abilities and poke is not as high, and can avoid ever getting into the range of annis stun)

Gaston du Coteau3 votes

Bronzies arguing with a Plat Annie main about common knowledge about Annie. This is why Riot ignore 99.9% of the posts here.

Apollocliptic2 votes

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Bronzies arguing with a Plat Annie main about common knowledge about Annie. This is why Riot ignore 99.9% of the posts here.

Calling everyone a bronze because they disagree just shows you're being a dick, your opinion therefore becomes invalid

It's common knowledge that Galio counters Anni and Ahri, does that mean neither of them can outplay him? It's because most people just rage and trash talk which is these chats get ignored

Gaston du Coteau3 votes

Facts aren't opinions. Even if it was opinions, pointing out when someone isn't remotely as good as the person they're trying to argue against, in something 90% knowledge based, is pretty relevant.

Galio's ability to win against Ahri is squat, dat 44% win rate Vs Ahri. Wow, much counter, such hard lane, very not Bronze, amaze. 45% Vs Annie, more wow. You see where I'm going with this? Any more knowledge you'd like to share with those who are at 10 times your MMR?

Trash talk? It's called the cold hard truth which you want to try to relegate to trash talk because you can't take it. Believe it or not I really don't want to be mean to you. But people like you need to get a grip, it's really fucking annoying hearing wave after wave of players ranked Wet Toilet Paper 9 arguing that the sky is not blue. It is not something that can be argued, and you have no idea what you're talking about. You don't know more than Plat and Diamond players, and some things are just plain known, there is no opinion to have about it. It is what it is, so give it a rest.

There's nothing wrong with being wrong. We're all wrong sometimes. But being wrong then denying it and potentially spreading false info, there is something very wrong with that. And yes, everyone see's what you're saying about the relevance of skill. But all things being equal, including player skill, Annie has all the advantages she needs in this matchup. It's not a hard counter at all, but still very much a counter.

Apollocliptic1 votes

My point from the start was that it's not a "hard counter" and that a skilled ahri can outplay an annie, not that annie is not a counter. You were so quick to be aggressive (and yes, it is trash talk when what you're saying IS NOT TRUE but just offensive) that you missed the point I was actually making. Someone else said that ahri was Annie's counter, I just said that it comes down to skill, because it's not a one sided battle like some match ups (for example, vel koz vs Zed)

The fact that you agree with my point by the end of your rant, shows that you are the one that doesn't know what you are talking about, because you are not even aware of the conversation topic. I don't claim to know everything, and I talk on these forums because sometimes you do learn something new, I have no problem being wrong, but you are, and definitely were being a dick, that has nothing to do with me being right or wrong, it's to do with your attitude and lack of patience for less experienced players sharing the thoughts on... what's this, a FORUM designed specifically for sharing thoughts and opinions. If it upsets you so much, stop reading them.

Referring to someone's rank as Wet Toilet paper, isn't hard cold truth, it's trash talk, pick up a dictionary if you can't take my word for it, and as for winrates, I don't claim to know everything about it, but i mention Galio because I know that he can thrash Anni 8/10 times even at my level of use (which I admit, went from Gold to Silver recently so again, I know I am not Plat or challenger knowledge) Ahri is a different matter, but winrates can only tell you so much, especially about unauthodox champs presence in Game, Galio is a good example of how your stat throwing, that I can neither confirm or argue against, doesn't translate to champ skill as much as player style. I know many Galio players that still haven't adapted items like Righteous Glory into his kit, or build Merc treads because on PAPER it is what he should have, because he's not a blasting mage like Ahri, Syndra, Anni etc, people often don't know how best to utilise him and therefore still lose because he is a rare practical pick that has easily exploited weaknesses (especially if you take the jungler into account). Whereas champs like Zed are far easier to analysis because their purpose and playstyle are more linear, and it's easier to determine a curve for match-ups

I believe in facts more than opinions, but I don't disregard opinions because of OTHER opinions. If you can prove your point, I'll back down, as I have done in other discussions, as I said, I come on here to learn, so being proven wrong is part of that process and I have no problem with it. But if you just start talking trash and interweave it with some arguable points, that you don't actually bother to push, then you haven't proven me wrong, you've just given another opinion, and the assumption of an opinion being fact is the true nature of arrogance, making your opinion return to being irrelevant.

Gaston du Coteau3 votes

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Apollocliptic1 votes

lol you make less and less sense with every post. You completely missed the point and only posted to be a complete dick, (unlike the Plat you seemed to be defending that was trying to make a valid point) not to weigh up an actual argument.

I won't bother with someone who clearly has difficulties with basic conversation, but for the record, online I am not bronze and haven't been since I first started playing, in life I have a 1st in Computer Programming and mathematics with an IQ exceeding 140, you probably don't get the reference, so I'll simplify it for you

Calling me stupid to think it makes you win the argument clearly shows a complete lack of sense and foresight, because your opinion becomes invalidated on a multitude of levels, since EVERYThing you've said has been wrong or misconceived

Or broken down further, based on evidence available to you and interpretable information based on scenario, you were still able to be wrong on all counts, showing an inability to process even basic "written" information, which is typically easier than processing verbal information.

Simplified further, Your ignorant response makes your attempt at singling out my intellect only draw attention to your own stupidity, whereas if you have just stopped talking or said "Yo moma" your own stupidity would not have been highlighted so obviously

I hope that helps you make more informed comments in forums in the future, or at least improve your ability to cast insults, as, based on the evidence, regardless of your gaming level, your life level seems to be lower than wood

Just an analytical observation, but if you'd like I could write up a paper that breaks down you ignorance into small easy to digest chunks, it's quite obvious so it wouldn't take long :D

Gaston du Coteau3 votes

My post was deleted by a mod. You still don't understand and it went whoosh over your head child. You've twisted the conversation from you not understanding a basic point into any other topic. The sad part is, that's not intentional, you're just incapable of understanding and yet you think you're actually clever. "Write up a paper". You can't understand basic English. Enjoy the Bronze life, in real life it seems.

Neo Cyrus3 votes

I was wondering why the hell is this thread still going. I see these walls of text and I know I shouldn't read them. "That dude arguing with another dude, not reading." Then my eyes catch a few key words "write a paper" "140 IQ". So I read a few lines...

You're so delusional I literally laughed out loud. Thank you. I legit haven't laughed that hard in a long time. I knew a few derpy kids like you who spoke exactly like you. They work in min wage jobs now and never had any friends growing up, and they still think they're geniuses when they're all dropouts.

Anyway, have fun arguing with people on the internet. Peace!

Reikken3 votes

mage assassin with 4 flashes? Did you mean Leblanc ?

Apollocliptic1 votes

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mage assassin with 4 flashes? Did you mean Leblanc ?

The funny thing is, that the most skill Lb's can essentially flash 5 times, by waiting out the CD and using pro timing and by actually having flash. Link that with Hourglass and her passive, and it's closer to 8-10 :D

Very Hard Engage2 votes

check ahri's base damage and scaling, its so low compared to lots of others, her trade off is the cc and the mobility, she doesn't deal tons of damage like others can.

Creamy Seaman1 votes

???? wot? she has high base damages to trade off for her low scaling.

Sirsir2 votes

As if I have to justify myself to someone who uses the term 'weebs' with zero context, but I like to argue so here we are

Ahri: Mana costs, 3 dashes not 4 (ON AN ULT), cc doesn't increase damage anymore. Also you forgot innate sustain Kassadin: Improperly done, they avoided the real problem to try and protect his "identity." If they had just gutted the range in the first place he would be fine, now they have to build him back up. He is now a bruiser, not an assassin Zed: Malzahar Soraka Lulu Janna item 3157 item 3140

Stephenizgod2 votes

Lol wrong

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