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ADCs are OP - Rioter

charge attack·12/7/2018, 1:14:28 AM·10 votes·1,857 views

https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/a3pp81/a_rioters_personal_stance_on_the_state_of_marksmen/

Mandatory = OP now. Gold-reliant vs XP-reliant? Wtf is that? Pfff... a role and it's items being consistently balanced around being gold funneled in a duo lane is being played in a duo lane. What?

Why are level-dependent classes like mages and bruisers not played bot lane... I guess no reason besides ADCs being overpowered. Nothing to do with being a duo lane.

Good luck getting your 10+ autos (undodgeable btw) off on the Leblanc that kills you in .6 seconds and blinks back to safety.

Bot lane "diversity" was the best thing Riot ever did. Thank god. Now I can see the champions that are already busted in Mid/Top/Jungle also be played bot lane. Remember 8.11? Thank god all those desperate Vladimir/Swain/Irelia players were no longer stuck being good in MID AND TOP lane, and got bot lane as well. Good shit. Super diverse.

>" I would go as far as to say that a significant amount of our players should probably not even be playing marksmen at their MMR since they and their teammates simply can't play around them well enough."

I guess if you want to be an ADC player or Tank player you should just be in higher elo...

Not an ADC main btw, just kinda dumbfounded at this Rioter's response.

12 Comments

Eedat12/7/2018, 1:21:12 AM5 votes

Read the whole thing instead of falsely quoting it

That said, Marksmen have low agency. Agency is a measure of how impactful their own actions are at determining their success - and I strongly suspect this is what marksmen actually complain about.

Which it is. ADCs are super reliant on their team to protect them or they just get deleted which is out of their control.

Critmaster Garen12/7/2018, 2:03:44 AM4 votes

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Why are level-dependent classes like mages and bruisers not played bot lane... I guess no reason besides ADCs being overpowered. Nothing to do with being a duo lane.

for bruisers, its literally because the range advantage at lvl 1 is op.

how do champions trade with each other at lvl 1 and lvl 2 before they unlocked all of their abilities? by auto attacking. if you put a lvl 1 adc infront of a lvl 1 bruiser, the adc will bully the bruiser out of lane.

put 2 ranged champions in the same lane against him, and he gets entirely pushed in and bullied out.

for a lot of melee vs. range matchups this advantage never really drops off in favour of the bruiser.

this is why you need champions like yasuo with windwall, or irelia who can close the gap multiple times and hard all in the ranged champion to be able to keep up with ranged champions on bot lane. or you need morde who can shrug off the enemy poke nonstop with his shield and w heal while pushing the waves.

i mean why do you think its often ranged champions who are used as counterpicks to melee champions in the top lane? because ranged auto attacks and abilities give them such a massive advantage during the early levels that they can translate into gold and item leads.

Dracocrash12/7/2018, 4:24:07 AM2 votes

His response is valid.

" I would go as far as to say that a significant amount of our players should probably not even be playing marksmen at their MMR since they and their teammates simply can't play around them well enough."

I guess if you want to be an ADC player or Tank player you should just be in higher elo...

Not an ADC main btw, just kinda dumbfounded at this Rioter's response.

That's a very.. interesting derivation of his statement. All he's saying is ADC's suck at lower ELO, which is true. Teams aren't as focused on protecting their carries, and players don't have the best positioning mechanics required by marksmen. He's not telling you not to play it, he's saying people would be better of not playing it, winrate wise.

Good luck getting your 10+ autos (undodgeable btw) off on the Leblanc that kills you in .6 seconds and blinks back to safety.

Wow, its almost as if burst mages are supposed to counter DPS marksmen.

Just because a non adc is bot doesn't make that champion instantly busted.

DNFVixen12/7/2018, 1:25:10 AM1 votes

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https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/a3pp81/a_rioters_personal_stance_on_the_state_of_marksmen/

Mandatory = OP now. Gold-reliant vs XP-reliant? Wtf is that? Pfff... a role and it's items being consistently balanced around being gold funneled in a duo lane is being played in a duo lane. What?

Why are level-dependent classes like mages and bruisers not played bot lane... I guess no reason besides ADCs being overpowered. Nothing to do with being a duo lane.

Good luck getting your 10+ autos (undodgeable btw) off on the Leblanc that kills you in .6 seconds and blinks back to safety.

Bot lane "diversity" was the best thing Riot ever did. Thank god. Now I can see the champions that are already busted in Mid/Top/Jungle also be played bot lane. Remember 8.11? Thank god all those desperate Vladimir/Swain/Irelia players were no longer stuck being good in MID AND TOP lane, and got bot lane as well. Good shit. Super diverse.

>" I would go as far as to say that a significant amount of our players should probably not even be playing marksmen at their MMR since they and their teammates simply can't play around them well enough."

I guess if you want to be an ADC player or Tank player you should just be in higher elo...

Not an ADC main btw, just kinda dumbfounded at this Rioter's response.

This might be the reason why the game has become just plain terrible since the start of season 8. Riot's stance on these things isn't even close to the original philosophies that made this game great in the first place during morello's time.

SorenAlucard12/7/2018, 1:17:27 AM1 votes

lol there is something in LA's kool aid

Hexs Fortune12/7/2018, 2:11:34 AM1 votes

ADC are team reliant all game long.

It gets easier as you climb and play with teammates who are better at creating opportunities

Low elo adc just comes down to basic game knowledge:

Minimap attention, avoiding paths where potential ganks lurk, teamfighting positioning and waiting to enter after cds, Wave control, trading stance, orb walking etc.

The caveat is that, if you manage to complete your items and have a teammate between you and your target, you generally win the exchange.

Back in the day Adc were drain tanking entire teams come late game, but that's a thing of the past generally speaking.

vgamedude12/7/2018, 9:09:41 AM1 votes

What diversity? https://champion.gg/statistics/#?sortBy=general.playPercent&order=descend&roleSort=ADC

sort by play percent. THERE ISNT DIVERSITY BOT LANE