Why do I have 3 Gold and 1 Bronze player on my team against 5 Diamond players?

Yenn·Aug 16, 2017·75 votes·2,695 views

I'd rather spend 20 minutes in a normal queue than get into a game like this after 50 seconds, because it's a massive fucking waste of everyone's time. Fix this shit.

51 Comments

ThunderneedleAug 16, 201736 votes

Because you were winning and had to go back to 50% winrate

Nea104Aug 16, 20175 votes

That. Forced 50% win-loss ratio. A shame.

Pierce The VealAug 16, 20173 votes

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Because you were winning and had to go back to 50% winrate

Pretty much this.

skyskee008Aug 16, 20173 votes

Flex queue and he was on the better team anyways. Lmao.

Glory ln DeathAug 16, 20171 votes

Because he was losing and had to go back to 50% winrate.

McemcAug 16, 20172 votes

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Because you were winning and had to go back to 50% winrate

I have under 50% winrate in both normals and ranked but they still give me such teams so it can drop even lower.

50Shades0fTryndaAug 16, 20171 votes

time to stop playing for week or two

Ahri BakaAug 17, 20172 votes

wait is there a way to show winrate in normal?

Packun FlowerAug 16, 201719 votes

"Matchmaling working as intended" - Riot

https://media.giphy.com/media/tnxOOIUL0BCLe/giphy.gif

DuskDaUmbreonAug 16, 201715 votes

You're probably either playing FlexQ, and seeing SoloQ rank, or playing SoloQ, and seeing FlexQ rank.
Rank has literately no impact on matchmaking. What does matter is MMR.
Sites that give you information on other players are stupidly inaccurate. It took them a year to finally realize I had reached level 30. After a couple dozen ranked matches.

BârdAug 16, 20178 votes

Sites like OP.GG are decently accurate, but they do require that you manually refresh the information.

DuskDaUmbreonAug 16, 20172 votes

I refreshed it a half-dozen times. No change. For a year.

EeyoreAug 16, 20171 votes

They don't track non-ranked games. Until you actually played one, there might not actually be any information for them to check.

TormentulaAug 16, 20172 votes

Its surprisingly not.

The site doesn't even give stats for more then one region. (for instance, look at a champion's winrate, playrate, banrate, and builds in Korea. Now look at it in every other region. Its the exact same.) Granted its a bug on the site's end, but its been one for a year now, I'd hardly say the site is accurate if it can't give the right stats for the right regions in the first place. Maybe for Korea its accurate but not so much for other regions (I think even before it was a one region bug, NA+EUW+OCE shared statistics on champions and Korea+Japan shared)

BańgAug 16, 20178 votes

why do i wait 15 minutes in queue for a blind normal game only to play with level 25s as a diamond player?

why is it when they arent level 25s they are 5 man diamond 1 premades?

5050BSAug 16, 20178 votes

Riots Balance team are 12 year old STUPID boys

Thats why

SkorchAug 16, 201718 votes

FAAAAAAAIRLY certain that the engineers working on matchmaking, and the balance team are different people.

LXIIAug 16, 20178 votes

"That couldn't have possibly happened! Matchmaking is solid!"

"Only low elo trash think matchmaking is BS and blame it!"

"You're just not having enough impact, don't blame matchmaking"

"That could have snowballed either way, someone just made a mistake somewhere. Unlucky, but not matchmaking's fault"

"You should be able to solo carry that if you're actually a good player!"

I guess just pick one of those, they're the usual answers.

charge attackAug 16, 20174 votes

It's Flex queue. Lol. You're stilll wrong and you're still trash. Keep blaming matchmaking.

LXIIAug 16, 20175 votes

Wait are you actually following me around on here just to keep talking shit? Kinda sad man.

Also, every account I have is higher ranked than you, so..

FairyfleurAug 16, 20175 votes

I hear the, "You should be able to solo carry that if you're actually a good player!" far too often.

LXIIAug 16, 20174 votes

The classic. Lol

Darksun DragoonAug 17, 20171 votes

When they're trying to make "git gud" sound legitimate.

Nea104Aug 16, 20174 votes

Were you coming from a winning streak? Or did you win more than lose, in your last 10-20 games? It's just Riot's forced 50% win-loss ratio system. You probably had some easy win before as well. Shameful, I know, but that is.

DuskDaUmbreonAug 16, 20172 votes

That's not how it is at all. What it is is that your MMR has passed your skill. Ergo, you're fucked, because your opponents are now beyond you. Or they assume that you're good enough to carry lower players.

And this isn't even what happened here.

Nea104Aug 16, 20174 votes

Absolutely not. Riot's system is totally flawed (intentionally), and forces 50% ratios as far as possible. If it were how you say, you would find balanced matches nearly always, just a bit easy or a bit hard depending. Instead, there are about 95% (19/20) unbalanced matches (below Diamond), and that's in order to ensure who will win (as far as possible): easiest way for 50% ratio, fast queues, shorter games (= more games), cheap coding.

TormentulaAug 16, 20172 votes

MMR legitmately does fuck you over after a winstreak, what it will do is try to slow your climb down by matching you with the worse players of your new MMR (say you're plat 3 on a hot streak to plat 1, the system will give you the next hot lose streak diamond rather than just somebody climbing the same pace to diamond).

Riot has confirmed this system in the past. I doubt they would say that's a thing if it wasn't as they know we hate their match making to begin with.

charge attackAug 16, 20174 votes

ITS FLEX QUEUE GUYS. Calm down. I know you want to circlejerk that matchmaking is broken and Rito is holding you back but at least don't take flex queue rants as an example.

It's funny that people are so ready to be proven right they don't even check or ask if it's flex or solo/duo queue.

Trias000Aug 17, 20171 votes

And if it's flex queue then it's ok?

Pumping IronAug 16, 20173 votes

Cause d5 player are like silvers, i speak from experience.

SugataYoLoShindoAug 16, 20173 votes

Such lies. Don't see a match in the history that looks anything like that.

Glory ln DeathAug 16, 20173 votes

Because Riot knows you're the next Faker, but they can't afford to let anyone be better than him, so they intentionally sabotage your games with trash players.

Armored YokaiAug 16, 20172 votes

{quoted}

I'd rather spend 20 minutes in a normal queue than get into a game like this after 50 seconds, because it's a massive fucking waste of everyone's time. Fix this shit.

is this Flex queue? i don't mind if it is, i seek a challenge in flex but not in solo/duo queue

HipercsigaAug 16, 20172 votes

I had 4 low lvl plaxers against an all lvl 30 team with 1 plat.

General Esdeath Aug 16, 20172 votes

Was this solo/duo or flex?

50Shades0fTryndaAug 16, 20172 votes

its like this for two years or so.... its a pleasant feeling to see people are waking up but still... quite too late

Have a good day

SpecterVonBarenAug 17, 20172 votes

The secret is that us Diamond players really aren't much better than you.

nice tableAug 16, 20171 votes

because normal games have nothing to do with your rank? most diamond players only "troll" in normals while most lower ranks tryhard

TormentulaAug 16, 20171 votes

So many people are upvoting this without understanding the issue.

The detail OP left out is this is FLEX QUEUE. MMR for flex queue is different then solo queue because its a separate ladder. They may be diamond in solo, but because its flex their MMR is only silver-gold, right where the OP's team is. Additionally those Diamonds are going to have to climb in flex back to diamond, so until say a season or two from now, match making for flex is going to feel weird unless riot literally elo boost every diamond player in flex queue to their solo queue rating.

Its the same exact issue as we experienced when ranked 5s were a thing, you'd have a bronze 5 man team but that's only because they're just a group of diamonds trolling around or pretending to play like boosted monkies, because the team was technically bronze MMR it went against other bronze teams, be it them actually being bronze or another bronze group of diamonds.

I expect either a) over time it will balance itself as diamond eventually climb back to diamond in flex, or b) diamonds will always be in lower elo because they don't give a shit about flex and either troll or climb to g5 and then go to sleep, that last part would sound more like what I do anyway.

VigoplAug 16, 20171 votes

You are the bronze player. So why are you complaining?

KloqdqAug 16, 20171 votes

Legit has a diamond Icon.

ProfirixAug 16, 20171 votes

A friend of mine actually called Riot to complain about a similar issue. When we were getting paired in normals, we were going up against plat and diamonds and neither of us were gold. Riot basically said that the current system uses win/loss ratios but to a much lesser degree than you would think. It is based on the TOTAL number of games (across ALL game modes) you have played. Even if all you do is play ARAM, you can have an MMR that rivals plats and diamonds based on sheer number of games played. If you have played a lot of games, your MMR is artificially high, even if you are losing every game. It takes a significant amount of losses in a row to alter your MMR.

This particular Rioter also said that they will be addressing this MMR inflation in the next season.

LOSINGISMYPRIDEAug 16, 20171 votes

LET CATCH MY SON WINNING MORE THAN LOSING !

ChaoticPineconeAug 16, 20171 votes

Cause it was a normal?

Normal is supposed to be a casual environment. People should be allowed to play with others who are vastly different in skill - that Level 30 that was on your team was queued up with that Diamond player on your team. Unless youre going to force friends not to play with each other in Normals, there isnt anything anybody can do about that.

Plus, those 4 Diamonds on the enemy team looks like they were queued up together as well. Meaning that matchamaking probably had a hard time finding a game for them. Its a Normal. Its not a big deal.