Nerf Annie or give her skills counterplay

Drunken Yasuo·Jul 15, 2015·31 votes·1,772 views

3 point and click spells which are undodgeable and have 80% 85% and 80% (Instant) burst ap ratios is just plainly retarded.

nerf her ap ratios or give this champ counterplay.

39 Comments

Hex the FenFenJul 16, 20158 votes

Annie already has some counter play. She is a rather medium ranged mage with the exception of her auto attacks which, let's face it, you aren't the adc. Annie is not hard to deal with. Play someone with greater range than her like Xerath or Azir and I have seen them destroy her in lane. She really isn't that bad.

A little PeepoJul 16, 20157 votes

Exactly, but most people pick melee champions against her and then proceed to complain about her. Most people forget she ACTUALLY has to flash to get her combo on you most of the time lol

Hex the FenFenJul 16, 20154 votes

RIGHT!?! It is actually hard for Annie to engage a fight in the mid lane without flash, unless her opponent is melee or the same range as she is. She is also easy to gank if you keep track of her stun stacks

straight4freeJul 16, 20151 votes

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Exactly, but most people pick melee champions against her and then proceed to complain about her. Most people forget she ACTUALLY has to flash to get her combo on you most of the time lol

Having to use flash to engage is no excuse for having what is probably the strongest engage in the game on a burst caster with two AoE nukes.

There's a reason she's banned so often, even in plat. You can't do anything against her but waste her flash in an early gank and try to bully her as a result. Even then, once she has flash back up she WILL get a good engage and somebody WILL die.

This inevitability only exists with terribly designed champions. You can hide under the aegis of "easy for new players", but if you really cared about that you'd focus on the fact that everyone is a smurf in low levels instead of keeping mindless champions in the game.

PredatoratorJul 16, 20151 votes

yeah, sorry if i wanted to join a game with the champion i enjoy playing with

Speeding BusJul 16, 20157 votes

If you can't learn to play against one of the most simple champions in the game than you might want to go play a different game.

LittleBlastJul 16, 20155 votes

Heres the thing though, annie doesnt have much room to play against because of how simple she is.

A little PeepoJul 16, 20154 votes

It's called range, there are many champions who can zone her in lane for days (orianna, lux, brand) but if you keep going diana, akali, kat against a her or any melee champion, then yeah I can see where you are coming from

YossarianSenseiJul 16, 20152 votes

Lmao thank god Orianna is fine guys, as we know LoL is a solo game and as long as Orianna is alive it doesn't matter that flash-Tibbers just killed 3 people on the team

Sona PingJul 16, 20151 votes

But the thing is, because of how simple she is, Annie has no ability to outplay anyone. Standard Laning tactics can beat the person playing her even without the abilities your champion can bring to the table.

A little PeepoJul 16, 20157 votes

Annie has counter play, it's called range. Play a zoner like Orianna, brand, lux, morgana, velkoz, ect and you will have no problem what so ever. If she is support then go someone like Leona who generally destroys her once she gets a stun on her, even morg works as well.

Mandang0Jul 16, 20156 votes

If Riot is going to remove all targeted/instant stuns, then they need to gut mobility. As it is, champions like Annie are the only good way to deal with the hypermobile champs in the game.

YossarianSenseiJul 16, 20151 votes

Yeah or you could land the skill shots like they were intended to be

Mandang0Jul 16, 20153 votes

...or you could actually dodge skillshots without having to use limitless dashes as a crutch like they were intended to be dodged

DrMedSchmierpoJul 15, 20154 votes

RISE Shlack123Jul 15, 20154 votes

I'm saying take the stun away from her ult and she's balanced. That makes her take more risks to stun more than one person.

Edit: her Q ratio could use some nerfing since it's point-and-click.

SH AzykanJul 16, 20151 votes

the stun is on her passive not her ult. And she can still flash + W if her ult cant stun for the same effect. (pretty much the same range)

RISE Shlack123Jul 16, 20151 votes

I know that the stun is her in her passive. What I'm saying is remove the passive proc from her ult (c'mon man it's pretty obvious what I meant). If she has to flash and use W to get a multi-target stun, she's much more exposed if she misses - and the range is a cone instead of a circle and it's shorter.

Mr Broken WingsJul 16, 20154 votes

To be fair, annies range is average and her only point and click spell is her q. She is simple and has an outdated kit but your description is stupid and just typical silver qq. And your solution is simply to make her weaker. "she op killed me please nurf ap ratio rito" And this thread gets upvotes, gameplay and balance boyz. Circlejerk at its finest.

Dasdi96Jul 16, 20153 votes

As an annie main, I would suggest they give her counterplay, but they should increase her base damages and scaling.

Vistha KaiJul 16, 20151 votes

Yup, she should bump all her ~80% AP scalings to 100% and increase base damage to 300 per basic spell.

BeatzBoyFTWJul 16, 20153 votes

Watchout. Incoming "its so ez to counter her u juz suck" high elo douchebags coming to comment here soon.

EDIT: Ahh fk I got downvoted by actual high elos.

Vistha KaiJul 16, 20151 votes

Yup, and they come with arguments such as "stay whole screen away from her".

CharQueenJul 16, 20153 votes

You can dodge her W. Her E is only used for charging her stun. She's slow and tanky.

I don't see an issue here considering how easy it is to lock her down or escape her.

Drunken Yasuo "...is just plainly retarded."

LittleBlastJul 16, 20151 votes

Actually, you cant dodge her W. Its the way cone based abilitoes are coded, you eitheriss because you fucked up or you hit. Nothing else.

CharQueenJul 16, 20152 votes

I meant dodging it by simply staying out of range. Not that hard to do.

Vistha KaiJul 16, 20151 votes

That's not dodging. "Don't appear on my screen" isn't counterplay.

Aeon13Jul 16, 20153 votes

item 3070 me a river

YatsufusåJul 16, 20152 votes

Counterplay?

item 3157 or item 3140 or item 3102 or item 3139 or item 3222

YossarianSenseiJul 16, 20152 votes

Yet somehow that argument just isn't good enough when it comes to Zed, even though Zed is much more difficult to play and has always been weaker in solo queue

Vistha KaiJul 16, 20151 votes

Nah, better hate, ban and shun Zed.

One item completely nulifies Zed, meanwhile the best you can do aganist Annie is not appear on her screen and/or cleanse the stun - as if it would matter since she will 100-0 before you will think "QSS".

SpiritGearJul 16, 20151 votes

but shes already getting balanced/nerfed

Robert SmithJul 16, 20151 votes

Give the stun a decay but at the same time a bit of mana back to balance it. Boom,counter play by waiting for her to lose the stun and she gains more sustain.

Hello I am BirdJul 16, 20151 votes

Actually, she only has 2, and thats being generous saying her e are point and click. W and r are skillshots :) Dont take much skill but...

ABlueQuakerJul 16, 20151 votes

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1 point and click spells which is undodgeable and 2 AoE spells with very small/instant cast times and have 80% 85% and 80% (Instant) burst ap ratios is just plainly retarded.

ftfy

HighKingOfSkyrimJul 16, 20151 votes

i like Annie the way she is.

actually her low mobility and her need to come up kinda close to you are her weaknesses.

go roam or stay away from her. ward up and split when you attack her.

The Bíg TicketJul 16, 20151 votes

She has one targetted spell.

TheFancySkeletonJul 17, 20151 votes

Veigar Did you say counterplay?

Gaston du CoteauJul 17, 20151 votes

Q and R need to be reworked into skill shots (with travel time if you consider the current R a skill shot). She's one of the few left with burst potential, lowering her damage would be a shame.

I know people say targeted stuns are required to combat mobility. But keeping one bad aspect to counter another problem is not a solution. The problems themselves need to be dealt with rather than keeping a toxic mechanic in order to be a Band-Aid solution to another problem.