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Ashe Small Gameplay Update

Stacona··1 votes·645 views

I mean very small change I will suggest; but something I always think of is Ashe being this queen of kiting marksman while Anivia is the queen of kiting for a mage. So the change is emphasizing Frost Shot to be better as a kiting tool as well as grant options on Frost Shot with adding a toggle off function; also adding more synergy with Volley and Frost Shot to choose between applying the slow outside your AA range for a gap closer with the slow or applying Frost Shot and adding a new unique interaction of amplified damage to Volley to frosted targets (so synergizes with her ultimate and Frost Shot as well as other frosted effects like what champions like Anivia has since Anivia's Frostbite can critically strike if Ashe applies frost so adding a unique champion synergy here). Also making Focus slightly more unique rather than just a critical strike with 100 Focus stacks. Adding strengths to values will have adjustments in those areas for balancing (focusing on Ashe being a late game hyper marksman with very high utility that she is).

Focus (Passive): Same thing; but now ignores 40% armor for the Focus critical strike only (stacks multiplicative and not additive with things like Last Whisper) (3 seconds cooldown minimum of not attacking anything; before people get an idea of a stupid 100% crit build) Quality of Life buff: Lasting hitting a target with 100 Focus readied will grant 100 Focus stacks (basically adding this will no longer punish Ashe for lasting hitting; especially since she gets bonus gold per last hit)

Frost Shot (Q): Toggle ON Cost: 8 Mana per basic attack (same) Toggle OFF: Ashe gains +20/40/60/80/100 units as bonus basic attack range (620/640/660/680/700 range while toggle OFF).

Toggle ON: Ashe's basic attacks slow her target(s) by 25/30/35/40/45% for 1.25 seconds [from 15/20/25/30/35% for 2 seconds]. New effect the slow increases to 30/40/50/60/70% for 1.25 seconds if the enemy is moving towards Ashe.

Volley (W): Damage lowered to 10/15/20/25/30(+100%AD) [from 40/50/60/70/80(+100%AD)] New effect where Volley deals 50% increased damage against frosted targets (Frosted targets being targets frosted from spells like Frost Shot, Enchanted Crystal Arrow, Anivia's Flashfrost (Q), Anivia's Glacial Storm (R), Braum's Winter's Bite (Q), Sejuani's Permafrost (E), Sejuani's Glacial Prison (R), Nunu's Ice Blast (E), Nunu's Absolute Zero (R), etc. etc. aka all champion chilling slows and chilling stuns)

So to add some context here: Focus' armor pen makes Focus more relevant late game; early on because it is % pen will not change its power for the early game so early game it is equal in power to how it is now, but is a definite buff for the late game because of the increased armour pen you get on top of your last whisper for the first attack in late game fights. But I want to point out that early game the power of this buff does not do anything because no one has armor for the pen to do anything significant outside of the fact that you get a free crit early that no one else has.

Frost Shot I want to add decision making for her rather than to slow or not to slow so now Ashe can choose to make herself a very long range champion or have a perma slow to kite the enemy to death (literally); she is still a long range champion either way but she chooses between longer range than normal marksmen with a perma slow for super kiting or scratch the perma slow and have the safety of being a very long range champion. The slow changes is pretty a very powerful slow when targets are running at Ashe is to allow Ashe the identity of being the kiting marksman once again in a mobile world the slow duration being reduced is to allow for better counter play against Ashe since she has to constantly be attacking for the perma slow with a lower duration and if a champion can ever stop Ashe from attacking at all then they can get away; the offensive slow strength is 10% greater, but overall this is to off set the lower slow duration slightly, but overall it is to help any champion with an escape to hopefully get away from Ashe's perma slow clutches (there is a MASSIVE misconception that the only champions with escapes are mobile champions; this is completely and entire FALSE; champions with escapes either will come through, yes, mobility like a dash or jump, but escapes are also CC whether they be slows, stuns, fears, charms, snares, etc anything that allows the user to get away, and not every champion has an escape).

Volley now scales better and to compensate Volley is either the same or weaker early game to make up for a late game buff to Volley; also I think other champion synergy is a cool thing to have and having the Freljord champion to help each other out I think would be very cool and create interesting compositions knowing certain champions aid in other champions even if it a minour thing.

Hope you appreciate the ideas and have a nice day! ~ Stacona

4 Comments

Apex Liar1 votes

Mixed Feelings

Focus (Passive)

  1. The new focus ability would be overpowered. If you did or didn't know ashes focus stacks start at what her current crit chance is. So if Ashe has 30% crit then the stacks will start at 30 instead of 0._
  2. If you tell me that you're giving Ashe 40% armor penetration with her passive I could easily buy another Infinity Edge for that extra crit to get 100% crit chance instead of buying a Last Whisper, since the last whisper only gives 35% armor pen._

Frost Shot (Q) 1. Not a bad idea, I like it and it seems interesting.

Volley (W) This is not good at all, I believe this to be a huge nerf to Ashe, it looks like you cut the base damage levels by 25%? Then you say the damage would then increase by 50% if they were affected my CC from a friendly freljord champion.

To begin this would destroy Ashe in the sense that there are not many Freljord champions in the champion pool, you are now forcing your team to pick X champion instead of Y so they are more team oriented to help you as ashe. I don't know if you play soloQ a lot, but team oriented is the last thing that goes through peoples mind in champ select especially in lower elo's.

The 50% damage increase doesn't make up for the original damage nerf you gave her in the first place. Let's say you get a Sej on your team that lands a nice ult. You then Volley their team thinking, "WOW, WOMBO COMBO". Them bam! It hits you and you then realize that your Max Level Volley only does 5 more dmg vs the original Level 1 volley Pre-Nerf.

Your idea for her new W: 30(50%)+AD(Lets assume its 100) = 145 Keep in mind this is a level 5 rank W

Current W: 40+AD(Again 100) = 140 This would be a level 1 Volly on Current Ashe

On top of that the bonus damage is only 5AD more than the original so that right there would convince people not to pick champs to help ashe with her new W. People would just report you for picking Ashe.

But over-all maybe its not a bad idea since your Idea for her Passive would be a huge buff and her Q looks like an interesting Re-Work.

Stacona1 votes

It is only the first basic attack in a fight - and to clarify which i already stated that there is a 3 seconds cooldown of not attacking before focus readies again even with 100% crit the focus will still have the not attacking for 3 seconds cooldown; so it will always only be the first attack in a fight with amplified armour pen- this is to make Focus feel better late game; while early game it is the same power

Ashe is a freljord champion; it is synergy with other chilling champions and there are many champions with chilling effects- Frost Shot and Enchanted Crystal Arrow apply frosted effects - why would i straight up nerf Ashe; the 50% damage amp makes her scale better for Volley directly; i just state that Ashe should get synergy with other champions with chilling effects which happen to be all the freljord champions, ashe can get the increased damage within her own kit --- also i stated ALL of her current values within the original post it is like you dont read at all--- But first off you are retarded as all hell for thinking I would not create more synergy within Ashe's own kit; the point is create decision making between applying Frost Shot with Volley or using Frost Shot to increase Volley's damage while her ultimate can also increase Volley's damage

Overall it is to create both better synergy within Ashe's kit and create decision making for Ashe and emphasize her late game better; Another point PLEASE LEARN TO READ: You literally are saying sht that i already stated in the opening post; like stating specifically there is no 100% crit exploit cases with Focus and the Volley changes is an equal to weaker Volley early game but a stronger Volley late game for balancing that out to compensate for a damage amp for Volley damage; but everything within her kit Ashe can perform - there is just additional synergy like a Braum Q can allow Volley to Critically strike on top of the obvious of Frost Shot and Enchant Crystal Arrow performing a Volley to critically strike (the critical strike again is 50% amp instead of 100% or 150% like basic attacks can perform)

Apex Liar1 votes

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It is only the first basic attack in a fight - and to clarify which i already stated that there is a 3 seconds cooldown of not attacking before focus readies again even with 100% crit the focus will still have the not attacking for 3 seconds cooldown; so it will always only be the first attack in a fight with amplified armour pen- this is to make Focus feel better late game; while early game it is the same power

Ashe is a freljord champion; it is synergy with other chilling champions and there are many champions with chilling effects- Frost Shot and Enchanted Crystal Arrow apply frosted effects - why would i straight up nerf Ashe; the 50% damage amp makes her scale better for Volley directly; i just state that Ashe should get synergy with other champions with chilling effects which happen to be all the freljord champions, ashe can get the increased damage within her own kit --- also i stated ALL of her current values within the original post it is like you dont read at all--- But first off you are retarded as all hell for thinking I would not create more synergy within Ashe's own kit; the point is create decision making between applying Frost Shot with Volley or using Frost Shot to increase Volley's damage while her ultimate can also increase Volley's damage

Overall it is to create both better synergy within Ashe's kit and create decision making for Ashe and emphasize her late game better; Another point PLEASE LEARN TO READ: You literally are saying sht that i already stated in the opening post; like stating specifically there is no 100% crit exploit cases with Focus and the Volley changes is an equal to weaker Volley early game but a stronger Volley late game for balancing that out to compensate for a damage amp for Volley damage; but everything within her kit Ashe can perform - there is just additional synergy like a Braum Q can allow Volley to Critically strike on top of the obvious of Frost Shot and Enchant Crystal Arrow performing a Volley to critically strike (the critical strike again is 50% amp instead of 100% or 150% like basic attacks can perform)

I stated some things that I thought were wrong with your idea but at the end of the day I said, "...not a bad idea..." and "...looks like an interesting Re-Work.". But you proceed to call me "retarded" because I don't assume you would take Ashe's own cc effect into account. Then you proceed to tell me I need to learn to read when in fact I am dyslexic, that's not a disability that you can just overcome with practice. I'm sorry, I did not know I was talking to an asshole.

Good luck with your re-work idea. Dick.

Stacona1 votes

Lying about a disability though; that's great eh, I'm sure people who actually have a disability will be proud of you...

This community easily puts one in a foul move since they never read or think and only bash when someone has an idea - nothing was directed at you and I was just frustrated and tired at the time.

But resorting to lying and calling someone a dick and asshole is a great way to respond though /sarcasm...

I digress; apologies towards you

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