Can you please be more decisive about Zyra's role?

VDc0zCqe0w··4 votes·701 views

Like, is she midlane or support, once and for all?

If she is midlane then i don't know do something about her terrible scalings (0.2 AP on the main damage spell...) and reduce her CCs or her base damages, if she is support then give her more reliabilty (E is terribly slow...), make her safer (325 MS....) or give her stronger CCs (i still don't understand why her ult had 25% of its CC reduced, that is incredibly huge)

Right now she is sub-par at both positions, and she's been so since the 3.13 patch

It's been 1 year since she's been subpar and still nothing has been done :/

You know, i mained Janna in S2, then there came a barrage of nerfs that made her quite weak, and i feel it's been the same for Zyra, i mean, every single thing about her kit has been nerfed (Q range, Q damage, W CDR, E projectile speed, R CC, passive)

Since the same thing happened to Janna (Q CC, W utility, E utility, R utility), i'm quite worried because it took like 4 buffs in the time span of 2 years to make her viable again.

Also her mana regen has been severely reduced (used to be ALOT higher) due to "standardization" of mana regen, so that's another indirect nerf

So can you please decide if she will be midlane OR support and balanced her according to that?

It's really not fair that an Annie main can play a Tier 1 champ and a Zyra player has got to play a Tier 2 or even Tier 3 champ (i still do cos she's fun but w/e)

I main Zyra support but i really wouldn't care if you would make her a midlaner, i could play her there without handicapping my team just because i picked her at least; i think people that play Zyra midlane wouldn't really care about you making her support too

Just make her suck less, really :/

13 Comments

Oleandervine5 votes

I personally like Zyra where she is right now; I feel like I do plenty of damage with her and I can harass very well with her plants in whichever lane I play her. Sure, she has weaknesses, but they are not debilitating or putting her in a detrimental spot.

Rinky Dinky2 votes

Not every champ needs to be shoe horned into one role... thats really boring and anti-fun.

Zyra cant be buffed because she will simply become an even better support.

Quite a few champion's have this issue. Nothing can be done about it short of reworking the champions.

Zyra is also very weak against assassins, which are meta right now. This means that Zyra is not being played mid also to her getting shit on by all Meta picks.

Not all of the champions in this game that are not being played are "weak". They are just A: Very team reliant or B: countered by meta champions.

Now, logic dictates that if Champion A is popular, and champion B is a counter to champion A, B champions will also become popular. A champions will fall out of favor, and B will be the new meta. This is the healthy meta cycle.

Champions that would be outclassed in every aspect (Or are so toxic that Riot keeps them shit on purpose), are the champions that are underpowered and need buffs / reworks.

Zyra is a great supp in this meta, but is not a good midlaner atm. However, she should theoretically become popular midlane at some point if the cycle progresses without Riot nerfing champions who dont need to be nerfed, or adding an OP item, etc etc. (Sona OP, If Graves gets nerfed imma /ff)

Midlane is going to become very diverse after these upcoming pbe nerfs. Zyra mid might become a thing very very soon.

If Lee ever gets balanced, then ALOT of immobile champs could be played. I swear the amount of champions that are stupid risky to play simply because of Lee Sin is... bad design. (I did not include Rek'Sai because she is getting nerfed haaaaaaarrrrrrrrrd)

Welp i went on a bit of a rant. 00ps :P

VDc0zCqe0w3 votes

i mean...not picked once in like, 7 months right now, she saw some play during summer then nothing anymore

Zyra is totally trash mid, not even 19 nerfs to every single existing midlaner could bring her mid, let's be real

i mean, it's not a meta problem, meta changed 3 times already, she just sucks balls

i'm talking about competitive, i still take her into diamond soloq, i fail to see how is she a "great supp" if she is never picked like wtf let's be real..

Rinky Dinky1 votes

Not every champion is going to be played competitively.

Shaco is an amazing jungler right now, but he is not fit for competitive lcs games.

I see Zyra all the time as a supp. She is not as unpopular as you make her out to be.

As for midlane, Smoking brought up some really good points. But that also brings me back to my original statement, not much can be done short of reworking her in some way. She is at best a niche midlaner.

Simple damage increases would make her OP, as she has a large amount of cc, utility, and lockdown. These buffs would also very likely just cause her to be played as a supp even more.

Now I know she isnt god tier Thresh level popularity, but she is not as underplayed or underpowered as... lets say... Taric.

VDc0zCqe0w1 votes

no dude EVERY champ HAS GOT TO be played competitively, because it mirrors its strenght and influences your soloQ performance (if the champ is strong you're gonna do good)

Zyra is unpopular both in competitive and in soloq, i never see her unless i'm the one playing her, just watch statistics

actually Thresh is not that good now, and that's completely fine to me because he's a terrible champ to play against so it's ok

to clarify, i STILL play her in soloq, because she's my main, because i like to play her and because i get good results with her, but i still can't deny the fact that she's bad, so i'm going to play a bad champion KNOWING that she's bad

i know Taric is shit tier, they are gonna rework him in fact, but apparently Zyra being bad too is completely legit lol

Rinky Dinky1 votes

Dude that is not how it works at all.

I even gave an example.

Not every champion is viable competitively. The lcs meta is different AND there are some champions that thrive on enemy mistakes (Shaco, Fiora) who are non existent in lcs/lks, but VERY strong in solo q. Another example is Yi. Yet another example is Riven.

Solo q and lcs are not the same thing on any level.

The sooner you understand this the better.

This game should not be balanced soley because of either. Season one Eve and Olaf are testament to this.

Also, Thresh is not and never will be bad. You are making statistics up now. He is one of, if not the, most popular support in the game.

The dude is hella picked in both competitive and yolo q. The only reason he isnt getting nerfed is because he isnt "Toxic" per say.

VDc0zCqe0w1 votes

but it's still extremely sad that a former pick/ban champ is no longer even remotely contested xd

SmokingPuffin1 votes

Not every champ needs to be shoe horned into one role... thats really boring and anti-fun.

100% true.

Zyra cant be buffed because she will simply become an even better support.

It strikes me that there is quite a bit of room for Zyra to be a better support. She doesn't exist in competitive play and just barely does in solo queue.

Zyra is also very weak against assassins, which are meta right now. This means that Zyra is not being played mid also to her getting shit on by all Meta picks.

Not all of the champions in this game that are not being played are "weak". They are just A: Very team reliant or B: countered by meta champions. ... Midlane is going to become very diverse after these upcoming pbe nerfs. Zyra mid might become a thing very very soon.

Zyra isn't just weak against assassins. Azir dunks all over her. Lissandra dunks her. Xerath wrecks her. Syndra thinks her plants are adorable. Mid Zyra isn't suffering from meta problems; she's just weak against almost all mid lane candidates.

I'm having a hard time thinking of any mid laner she has a plus matchup against. Maybe Yasuo. If Annie ever goes mid, that's one. It's certainly a short list though.

VDc0zCqe0w1 votes

at this point i think they should just force her into a role, i'm quite tired about this situation tbh :/

Rockman1 votes

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VDc0zCqe0w2 votes

so apparently it's intended for her to suck :/, but somehow Xerath having 340 MS it's intended too :/

Lux can do both...man i can't take you seriously if you say so...

like, statistics don't lie...never picked competitively in 7 months or so

balbraaksel1 votes

Why do you need AP ratio's when you have item 3151 ? I certainly don't care when I support with her. item 3151 item 3165 item 3135 Is all you need to be APC.

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