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with the preseason changes, can garen please get a .3 increase to his base ad growth?

Critmaster Garen··6 votes·814 views

for some reason hes 6 ad behind the other juggernauts at lvl 18.

i have a feeling that with every champion getting his base stats buffed next season, it would make sense to close the small gap to really stay ahead in base damage over the general champion pool like the rest of the juggernauts are.

from what ive seen, even some marksmen are gaining higher lvl 1 base ad increases than him. and he doesnt get a 5 damage increase on his abilities like a large portion of the champion pool.

i understand the changes arent final. im just comparing this

Kled

  • Base AD increased from 55 to 63
  • Base armor increased from 26 to 35
  • Beartrap on a Rope (Q mounted) beartrap damage increased from 25/50/75/100/125 to 30/55/80/105/130
  • Pocket Pistol (Q Dismounted) damage increased from 30/45/60/75/90 to 35/50/65/80/95
  • Violent Tendencies (W) bonus damage increased from 20/30/40/50/60 to 25/35/45/55/65
  • Jousting (E) damage increased from 20/45/70/95/120 to 25/50/75/100/125

to this

Garen

  • Base AD increased from 57.88 to 66
  • Base armor increased from 27.536 to 36

his base health growth could also get looked at. for some reason hes 150 health behind the other juggs at lvl 18.

most of them are at around 2200 to 2300 base health at level 18, while garen is just at below 2050. this becomes increasingly important with the overgrowth rune as a health multiplier, which would widen the gap to other juggs who pick up the rune.

if he doesnt get the same early game buff, then he could at least get a lategame stat increase.

i dont udnerstand how this is supposed to keep all champions at the same power level anyways, with only half of the pool getting a damage increase at lvl 1 on each of their abilities on top of a base stat buff, and other champions being stuck with the same base stat buffs, without additional compensation somewhere else.

like kled is already a strong early game champion, and gets a lvl 1 buff to all abilities, while other champions dont?

11 Comments

Chembaron Yamada3 votes

The reason for the difference between Kled and Garen is there.

All of Kled's abilities scale with bonus AD, which he loses some of with the new runes system. The buffs are compensating that bonus AD loss. Garen's skills all scale with total AD. The additional base AD is increasing his skill damage, too.

If you look at the buffs, you see that pattern clearly. Skills which scale with bonus AD get a damage buff, since the new system removes some of their bonus AD. Skills which scale with total AD don't, since they are already compensated with the base AD buffs.

Critmaster Garen1 votes

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The reason for the difference between Kled and Garen is there.

All of Kled's abilities scale with bonus AD, which he loses some of with the new runes system. The buffs are compensating that bonus AD loss. Garen's skills all scale with total AD. The additional base AD is increasing his skill damage, too.

If you look at the buffs, you see that pattern clearly. Skills which scale with bonus AD get a damage buff, since the new system removes some of their bonus AD. Skills which scale with total AD don't, since they are already compensated with the base AD buffs.

ok, that makes sense. i havent thought about the bonus ad scalings.

id still like to see that 6 ad at lvl 18 though, and maybe a 100 more health. i dont think its too much to ask, as it shouldnt have that large of an impact on most games.

Zero Skill Tank2 votes

Sure, as soon as he starts using a resource.

Sorry, but they keep Garen behind on purpose. His only strategic nieche is being easy to play.

Critmaster Garen4 votes

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Sure, as soon as he starts using a resource.

maybe when riot decides to make that mana bar on mana champions actually have an impact on gameplay. dont choke on your item 2033 while youre talking.

OyddAWqJ5r1 votes

Lel. Forreal though.

THE RlVER KlNG1 votes

let's do this

and give tahm kench some attack speed growth or base ad buffs as well while we're at it, same for like mundo and voli

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I feel really bad for you because I don't honestly see a Keystone that garen would honestly ever use. Grasp would only ever be useful in some match ups other than that I feel like bruisers are getting the short end of the stick.

Critmaster Garen1 votes

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I feel really bad for you because I don't honestly see a Keystone that garen would honestly ever use. Grasp would only ever be useful in some match ups other than that I feel like bruisers are getting the short end of the stick.

its probably going to be phase rush, dark harvest or the new thunderlord mostly.

sucks that there isnt really anything in resolve except for one keystone, thats sometimes going to be good, but garbage most of the time.

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its probably going to be phase rush, dark harvest or the new thunderlord mostly.

sucks that there isnt really anything in resolve except for one keystone, thats sometimes going to be good, but garbage most of the time.

I mean phase rush is good if you can get off AA>Q>E but if not you're kinda fucked in that regard.

Critmaster Garen1 votes

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I mean phase rush is good if you can get off AA>Q>E but if not you're kinda fucked in that regard.

well. same goes for thunderlord. and when you cant keep trading with your opponent, grasp is like 30 extra health for him. so there isnt really much of an option.

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well. same goes for thunderlord. and when you cant keep trading with your opponent, grasp is like 30 extra health for him. so there isnt really much of an option.

yep feels pretty garbo. I've been playing on the PBE and bruisers feel even more garbage

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