Can we agree that tp-homeguards is complete bullshit?

IziMytTJd7·Apr 19, 2015·18 votes·1,801 views

Now I know what you might be thinking. "No way man! #LCSBigPlays". Yeah, I also enjoy seeing the horse on god-mode running down the entire team and slaughtering them. But there is a reason there's nothing else that gives that sort of movement speed boost outside the base. It's what we like to call "unbalanced".

When they were released, homeguards had a very specific intention- to guard the home base. It was a matter of getting to where you need to be to protect your structures. It's obvious that the intent was never to give champions absurd sustained movement speed during a teamfight. I think it's funny how nit-picky riot is when balancing champions and items, and yet they have allowed this shit to continue for so long.

Oh well. I guess #LCSBigPlays.

18 Comments

SqueekemsApr 19, 201511 votes

"Bonus movement speed and regeneration are disabled for 6 seconds upon dealing or taking damage."

DanLikesBaconApr 19, 20155 votes

The moment u deal damage the effect is gone.

Widder88Apr 19, 20153 votes

Homegard tp is fine. Hecarim is the problem and has to be nerfed.

IziMytTJd7Apr 19, 20152 votes

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Homegard tp is fine. Hecarim is the problem and has to be nerfed.

I agree that Hecarim is a problem in general. But I disagree that homeguards-tp is fine. It is a problem on many champions. There is a reason that tp has a 3 second cast time. The enemy team is meant to have a chance to react. But with homeguards the reaction is meaningless.

5000000000000000Apr 19, 20151 votes

Shoot a skillshot where teleport is incoming. That way you can completely remove the movespeed bonus.

lHopeBotWinsApr 19, 20151 votes

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Homegard tp is fine. Hecarim is the problem and has to be nerfed.

How long have I not been playing? HECARIM is the new meta? Can't wait to get back into it

arcinexApr 19, 20152 votes

I hope it gets nerfed so that homeguard effects stop if you TP.

Right now homeguard + TP on hecarim is complete and utter bullshit.

ChargeItDownMidApr 19, 20152 votes

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IziMytTJd7Apr 19, 20152 votes

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Teleport is balanced around the fact that it transfers homeguards. It isn't "unbalanced" like you claim, it was specifically balanced to allow the interaction.

I'm guessing you haven't been playing very long. Homeguards are relatively new to the game. Teleport has been around from the beginning, and was not changed at all due to homeguards. So you couldn't really be more wrong.

ChargeItDownMidApr 19, 20151 votes

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IziMytTJd7Apr 19, 20151 votes

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I said that teleport was balanced around transferring homeguards, not that they were created around homeguard. Homeguard was added in 2012 and the last balancing change to teleport happened in 2014, more than a full year after homeguards were added. The last balance change was made specifically knowing teleport would transfer homeguards and the numbers were fine tuned specifically so it would be balanced in the presence of homeguards.

So here are the changes to TP since homeguards were released:

-Channel time reduced from 4 to 3.5 -50 seconds less cdr from cancelling TP -60 seconds cdr for TPing to a turret

So can you tell me which part of these changes were made to "make up" for homeguards?

TP overall has been BUFFED since homeguards were released, so what you are saying makes no sense at all.

Old Man TeetoApr 19, 20152 votes

Homeguard in general was a "neat" idea but bad for the game.

It's almost never used for the situation intended - defending base, and almost always used some high-abuse case (Rammus/Hecarim/Ryze being top three).

RamboDash15Apr 19, 20151 votes

Tp-homeguards is slightly balanced in the sense that summoner 12 has a cooldown of 5 minutes without masteries or distortion, (but if you take that the you don't have homeguards), which means you can't spam it too much. I agree that it is ridiculous on certain champs such as Hecarim and Rammus but it is not over-bearing.

qetzelApr 19, 20151 votes

No. IT is slightly horseshit with Hecarim but brilliant elsewhere.

HellioningApr 19, 20151 votes

You aren't complaining about teleport-homeguard interaction, you're complaining about Hecarim.

Like, I don't hear people saying 'OMG THIS IS BULLSHIT' when Ramram does it.

The SoulforgedApr 19, 20151 votes

Get rid of the homeguard tp interaction with hec, and buff his passive up a ton.

IziMytTJd7Apr 19, 20151 votes

Well then you have too much faith in Riot's balance team. Just because they haven't addressed the issue does not mean it's not an issue. Forget about their lack of doing anything about it, and just think about the problem itself.