pls tell me her real weakness now.
"muh weak laning" sk vs gmb just prove that this is an invalid point
along with the base stat nerf, we need to reduce her shunpo range from 700 to 500 just to balance her so she cant ignore the frontline easily
meh week lanniee senpai@!!11
LXII22 votesI guess nobody was watching the same game I was.. Because in the game I watched Katarina waited until the cc was all blown to go in, and when she didn't she was instakilled.
..maybe there was another GMB vs SK game today that I missed.
OJ1915 votes[{quoted}](name=RYN Flux,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=epIdJheQ,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2015-03-27T22:44:13.231+0000)
I guess nobody was watching the same game I was.. Because in the game I watched Katarina waited until the cc was all blown to go in, and when she didn't she was instakilled.
..maybe there was another GMB vs SK game today that I missed.
You say this like it's a point in her favour not against her.
The fact that she CAN wait until the CC is all blown to go in just illustrates the fact that you NEED cc for the teamfight and can't just save it for kat all day.
it kinda proves that "just CC her" isn't an answer.
Kapppaccino1 votesYou say this like it's a point in her favour not against her.
The fact that she CAN wait until the CC is all blown to go in just illustrates the fact that you NEED cc for the teamfight and can't just save it for kat all day.
it kinda proves that "just CC her" isn't an answer.
If she's not going in, she's not doing damage, you're " blowing your cc"... Their team should be dead before she engages by your logic
OJ1911 votesIf she's not going in, she's not doing damage, you're " blowing your cc"... Their team should be dead before she engages by your logic
No, you lose the teamfight 5v4 because you saved your CC for the kat while they don't have to
Or conversely, you use your CC and win the teamfight, then kat goes LOLCLEANUPCREW
Kapppaccino1 votesNo, you lose the teamfight 5v4 because you saved your CC for the kat while they don't have to
Or conversely, you use your CC and win the teamfight, then kat goes LOLCLEANUPCREW
Without Kat doing damage, you shouldn't be low enough for her to clean up. If you are getting that low, you should be picking Kat off before the fight, you have to play around these things. Don't expect every team fight to be the same.
Knight SoIaire 1 votesi love this argument because its 100% flawed, people preach like the only thing that cc is for is stopping kata, while cc is needed for loads of things, the fact that kata exists in a game just means you get to be punished realy hard for any misuse of it, while using it good wont yield you any insane reward, just a regular reward for ccing an enemy assasin
yukonl22 votesNever use a single game as your sample size. It's also important to note that the range nerf of 700 to 500 might put her in a horrible spot, especially lane wise where most mid-laners would have an extreme range advantage to her.
Knight SoIaire 4 votesNever use a single game as your sample size.
weanwhile all that community is bitching about katarina jumping faster than any modern cc can hit
yeah thats only one game, nothing more just one game causes us all to come here and complain
you are right, nerfing her shunpo range might straight out kill her
but op is right, katarina got out of controll and its not something new, we have this for some time already and whoever you present your valid and logical arguiments to is just ignoring them saying that : -cc counters her, when we already know that our cc which has delays nowadays is unable to hit her right after she uses her ult, meaning thats its an inefective counterplay -and that she has weak early game, but she is 100% unreliant on it, pre 6 she can farm safely, ofc she wont get 100% of those minions but she will get a reasonable amount of gold, and at lvl6 she can call for a gank to ensure you die and she has enough base dmg to get 60% of your hp in a flash meaning an inexploitable weakness
in the past cc indeed countered her becuase it usualy lacked a delay (and we had silences) and katarinas ult wasnt tweaked to deal most of the damage during the begining of her ult so that argument held still and was the most valid argument ever,, but right now you wont get a shot at stunning her
YanderePrincess1 votesWat? CC isn't instant enough? There's plenty of near-instant CC that can stop her ult pretty much as soon as it starts unless your reaction time is shit.
Major Sparkles1 votesI think he means a lot of CC has a prerequisite to casting it... irelia comes to mind or a skillshot.
ForgiveColour1 votes
rip in peace
Joe Dredd1 votesexcept kass is a 2 second cd and has no killing requirements/target
ForgiveColour1 votesexcept kass is constantly top 5 lowest winrate after 5.4
Joe Dredd1 votesAnd Lee Sin is number 12 lowest. But apparently he is OP
ForgiveColour1 votesand then you realize he isnt
Irelia Bot11 votesRemember when other assassins were able to assassinate kat?
Yeah that kinda happened.
While kat is high damage dealing it is not instant burst.
Also she just got her base stats nerfed. The LCS and the like are on last patch.
ForgiveColour3 voteskatarina burst not instant? What are you smoking? katarina dont always waits for full ult before smashing keyboard again to pentakill the other team. Her qwe are point n click instant dmg
Irelia Bot1 voteskatarina burst not instant? What are you smoking? katarina dont always waits for full ult before smashing keyboard again to pentakill the other team. Her qwe are point n click instant dmg
Her ult takes 2.5 seconds to fully channel.
You can in fact walk of of that and you can in fact hard CC her if you save CC for her.
Now if you are staying in lane and have less then 40% health and she goes in on you then yes she does have enough damage to likely burst you down with Q > E > W >R.
What I am saying is that she does not have the damage to instanly burst down a target in under a second unless she is already really fed.
Wînter Fox8 votesSkill and timing OP, Riot wtf pls nerf
Rinky Dinky8 votesKeep in mind this was before her nerfs
JustMyBassCannon7 votes"Someone in LCS did really good as Katarina, holy shit!"
Yeah, someone in LCS did fucking awesome with Katarina. Tell me when you're on their level.
ForgiveColour5 votesbjerg on zed, insec on lee sin
well according to your logic, get on their level before you qq
katarina is stomping every single elo
JustMyBassCannon7 votesKatarina hasn't stomped me, so either I am beyond the scope of ELO, or the Katarina player is better than her opponents.
And according to your logic, if someone does well in LCS, their counter-play magically evaporates.
ForgiveColour6 votessorry m8 i actually statistic supporting me. What about you?
http://www.op.gg/statistics/champion/
katarina - winrate - and check every single region
the only counterplay katarina have is either ban phase, or the player. Guess which one is it for you?
JustMyBassCannon6 votesYou're right, I am a better player than the Katarina playing against me.
And you are a worse player than the Katarina playing against you.
Also, within 3% of 50/50 is a fair win rate for a champion to have.
CJ Nishinoya2 votesbjerg on zed, insec on lee sin
well according to your logic, get on their level before you qq
katarina is stomping every single elo
This has a point.
Katarina is extremely easy mechnically with no skillshots so this brings into question has a lot of what Katarina has in her kit really that bad to have auto lock/insta cast, no cost and low cooldown abilities? I don't believe so.
pE4CbxDPQO5 votesI just wish her E got the Akali R treatment. It's a problem when someone is actually difficult to use point and click cc on just because they are bouncing around 3 times in 1.4 seconds. I've had games where as Lisaandra I just straight you couldn't move the mouse fast enough. Just silly.
Llanite1 votesNurf because you are out-pace. Talking of silly.
CJ Nishinoya4 votesREWORK THE TOXICITY!
No longer should we have to deal with this, split second decision making/counterplay it is now apparent finally with the new luden's echo item that even the pro's struggle dealing with katarina.
Vote for change!
Kariu Rena3 votessuch counter play much w0w. LOl the last teamfight katarina happened.
Katarina has lots of counterplay - bronze
Alorasence3 votesI've won games on jungle taric and ap top lane zed (rip dfg)...
Individual examples mean nothing.
UPfreely2 votesthey just need to give her shunpo a cast time
n810m2 votesBruh read the patch notes. She got her nerfs in 5.6 already. Unless if that +1 health at Lv 18 is considered compensation for the -50 health and reduced base health regen early.
Silents4292 votesIf you had a team like that. And she did that.
I am sorry to say but you guys might kind of suck.
Also don't use 1 game to justify a nerf.
straight4free1 votesIf you had a team like that. And she did that.
I am sorry to say but you guys might kind of suck.
Also don't use 1 game to justify a nerf.
lol
GMB sucks
You heard it here first
MalzaharAnyLane2 votesI hate Katarina players on principle.
But let's be honest, I'm never afraid of laning against her. It's the other players who expect to come out of fights at half health and still survive her cleaning up that make me rage, not Katarina herself.
Smart Katarinas would have banshee's veil as a core item anyway and no Katarina in the history of ever actually builds that item (and thusly dies horribly forever without a massive gold lead)
Let's be frank, if the problem is bot lane feeding her, then wouldn't the solution be to play something besides squishy ADC and squishy support? If you stick a couple of bruisers bot, both Katarina and the enemy support will have problems.
KaisadiIIa1 votesSmart Katarinas would have banshee's veil as a core item anyway and no Katarina in the history of ever actually builds that item (and thusly dies horribly forever without a massive gold lead)
She needs damage. You can't build Banshee's until late game.
TenSlashTen2 votesThey blew the cc before she went in. I'm not even gonna reply to any replies given to this comment because the people upvoting this thread are fucking morons... Seriously... no wonder riot likes reddit better.
A Superb Villain1 votesI just hate Katarina on principle.
Laraso1 votesWhich game was this? I want to see it.
iainB851 votesWhat sucks more is how ping dependent she is. She's so OP in those tournaments because there's zero delay and she can strait up chain abilities, it's very hard to keep track of her and land CC.
All of us poor suckers on the east coast can't even attempt to cast her abilities that fast. Completely unfair.
Anrui1 votesI think you ignore the fact that GMB focused very poorly in a few teamfights. In that first fight in the jungle (though Fox made a godly dodge on a Thresh hook), GMB had literally used everything they had to blow up Lee Sin and then they all jumped onto, and focused Maokai leaving hardly anything to deal with the Katarina.
And later in the game, they started focusing down Kat and blowing her up as they should, but Godgiven got free reign then because they used everything on killing Kat. In the final teamfight, they used up literally everything to kill ForgivenGRE and Fox cleaned them up on Kat. Basically SK pushed GMB into a hole where they have to kill both the Kat and Cait nearly instantly or one will wipe their team. GMB lost the early game so hard however that Cait's mid game drop-off wasn't that bad because she was pretty far ahead of Graves.
KaisadiIIa1 votes
LadyRenly1 votesKatarina is a janitor. She cleans up. She was just playing smart and sticking to her element.
Poptart Evelynn1 votesI mained Kat for a long time and just looking at comp it looks easy for Kat to win with the right team.
Diana - Pull in move that she will not be able to save allies with if she jumping in away from her allies. Graves - Very short mobility, unable to get away from kat fast enough. Vi - Both of her moves are used to engage and catch people. If you save her R for peel they lack a lot in their comp. Thresh - Again, both used to engage and catch people. If you try to save one or the other then you aren't peeling allies from other champs. Ahri - Charm that is used to catch.
Being 100% honest they have no real hard cc for Kat that is reliable to save without losing the fight by saving needed stuff before she gets in.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyFqqkqWR0k#t=05m09s
They even mention all of that.
ForgiveColour1 votesthats not a real counterplay if the whole team is forced to not used any cc during a teamfight because of one champion