Checklist for if a champion currently does well.

The thigh guy··4 votes·853 views

Can you 100-0? Do you have 30+ dashes? Do you ignore tank stats? Can you use duskblade well? Can you abuse stormrazor?

If any of these answers are yes, you work

How to tell if the champion won’t work.

Do you do sustained damage? Are you a true tank? Are you immobile? Do you lose to assassins? Are you currently not in riots approved flavor or the month?

If yes, you are worthless.

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DuskDaUmbreon4 votes

Top 20 champions:

  1. Zyra
  2. Sona
  3. Brand
  4. Ahri
  5. Karthus
  6. Jax
  7. Malzahar
  8. Shaco
  9. Kassadin
  10. Heimerdinger
  11. Anivia
  12. Kled
  13. Kog'maw
  14. Ziggs
  15. Zilean
  16. Nami
  17. Cassiopea
  18. Miss Fortune
  19. Wukong
  20. Ashe

Of these, Ashe, MF, Cass, Nami, Zilean, Ziggs, Kog'maw, Anivia, Heimer, Malzahar, Karthus, Brand, Sona, and Zyra have no dashes (technically Ziggs does but it's not really significant enough to bother with). That's 14/20, from spot number 1 to spot number 20. The top 3 have no dashes.

Of those 14, Ashe, Cass, Nami, Zilean, Kog'maw, Malzahar, Karthus, Sona, and Zyra all lack lethal burst damage with their standard build (so ignoring full AP Zilean, Zyra, and Sona). Of those not mentioned: Kled also lacks lethal burst damage.

Of those 9 who we have not eliminated, none have true damage, and only two of them have resistance shredding (Karthus and Kog'maw). Only Kog'maw of that list has %hp damage.

Of those 7 who do not shred/ignore tank stats, none can use Stormrazor or Duskblade. Only Wukong, Shaco, and Miss Fortune, out of the top 20 champions, can use either of them.

Comparing our final list to the criteria that says a champion cannot be useful:

  1. Zyra - Does sustained damage via her plants, is not a tank, is immobile, and does fairly neutrally versus assassins, yet is still the number one champion in League by winrate
  2. Sona - Lacks true sustained damage, although she gets close with item 3100-enhanced autos being core to her damage output, is one of the squishiest champions in the game, isn't truly immobile due to her E giving her a lot of speed in late-game, but lacks any kind of dashes, and does absolutely terribly against assassins or assassin-like champions, yet she's still number 2 in overall winrate.
  3. Malzahar - Does sustained damage with W, E, and R, is not a tank, is completely immobile (lacking even a speedup from runes), yet still does well against assassins due to his R.
  4. Zilean - Does not do sustained damage (merely lacks lethal burst damage), is not a tank, isn't immobile (although he lacks a dash) due to his E, and does well against assassins due to R.
  5. Nami - Does some sustained damage through E (W?), is not a tank, is low-mobility (although has a few small speedups), and does rather neutral versus assassins (it being mostly a test of skill between the two).
  6. Cassiopea - Sustained damage via E, not a tank, no mobility, and I honestly don't remember how she does versus assassins.
  7. Ashe - Sustained damage with almost all of her kit, not a tank, no innate mobility at all (and is in the lowest tier of base MS, although she can get MS from runes and items), and is terrible against assassins.

Hmm. I think your list may be slightly wrong.

The thigh guy1 votes

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Top 20 champions:

  1. Zyra
  2. Sona
  3. Brand
  4. Ahri
  5. Karthus
  6. Jax
  7. Malzahar
  8. Shaco
  9. Kassadin
  10. Heimerdinger
  11. Anivia
  12. Kled
  13. Kog'maw
  14. Ziggs
  15. Zilean
  16. Nami
  17. Cassiopea
  18. Miss Fortune
  19. Wukong
  20. Ashe

Of these, Ashe, MF, Cass, Nami, Zilean, Ziggs, Kog'maw, Anivia, Heimer, Malzahar, Karthus, Brand, Sona, and Zyra have no dashes (technically Ziggs does but it's not really significant enough to bother with). That's 14/20, from spot number 1 to spot number 20. The top 3 have no dashes.

Of those 14, Ashe, Cass, Nami, Zilean, Kog'maw, Malzahar, Karthus, Sona, and Zyra all lack lethal burst damage with their standard build (so ignoring full AP Zilean, Zyra, and Sona). Of those not mentioned: Kled also lacks lethal burst damage.

Of those 9 who we have not eliminated, none have true damage, and only two of them have resistance shredding (Karthus and Kog'maw). Only Kog'maw of that list has %hp damage.

Of those 7 who do not shred/ignore tank stats, none can use Stormrazor or Duskblade. Only Wukong, Shaco, and Miss Fortune, out of the top 20 champions, can use either of them.

Comparing our final list to the criteria that says a champion cannot be useful:

  1. Zyra - Does sustained damage via her plants, is not a tank, is immobile, and does fairly neutrally versus assassins, yet is still the number one champion in League by winrate
  2. Sona - Lacks true sustained damage, although she gets close with item 3100-enhanced autos being core to her damage output, is one of the squishiest champions in the game, isn't truly immobile due to her E giving her a lot of speed in late-game, but lacks any kind of dashes, and does absolutely terribly against assassins or assassin-like champions, yet she's still number 2 in overall winrate.
  3. Malzahar - Does sustained damage with W, E, and R, is not a tank, is completely immobile (lacking even a speedup from runes), yet still does well against assassins due to his R.
  4. Zilean - Does not do sustained damage (merely lacks lethal burst damage), is not a tank, isn't immobile (although he lacks a dash) due to his E, and does well against assassins due to R.
  5. Nami - Does some sustained damage through E (W?), is not a tank, is low-mobility (although has a few small speedups), and does rather neutral versus assassins (it being mostly a test of skill between the two).
  6. Cassiopea - Sustained damage via E, not a tank, no mobility, and I honestly don't remember how she does versus assassins.
  7. Ashe - Sustained damage with almost all of her kit, not a tank, no innate mobility at all (and is in the lowest tier of base MS, although she can get MS from runes and items), and is terrible against assassins.

Hmm. I think your list may be slightly wrong.

Zyra. Made to 100-0 Sona. Builds Lichbane. Tries to 100-0 Brand. 100-0 Ahri. 100-0 Karthus. Just abusing adc being shit.

That’s the top 5. They all do the same fucking thing. Try and instant kill someone with little to no counterplay. So they all fall into category 1.

Jamaree3 votes

Then you look Heimerdinger and Karthus

As they have high win rates and ignore the top metric of your post and fit into the bottom one, but ok.

Moody P1 votes

heimer bursts and karthus will kill you in 3-5 Qs, doubt that's what he's gunning for

Jamaree1 votes

I mean what apc doesn’t have burst, they all burst, the only one that doesn’t burst is Cass and even her win rate is higher then Zed’s

TheSingularity1 votes

While karth melts people. Heim can certainly 100-0

Ult E+W+turret lasers decimates just about anyone

The thigh guy1 votes

{quoted}

Then you look Heimerdinger and Karthus

As they have high win rates and ignore the top metric of your post and fit into the bottom one, but ok.

Um? Donger instant kills with his missles sooooooo he fits into 100-0.

Karthus is just abusing the fact that adc is a shit role.

Dorans Pants2 votes

when you are forced to play blind pick and the only champs you see are:

LeeSin Zed Camille Fizz LeeSin Irelia Irelia Irelia Irelia Akali Akali LeeSin Zed Leblanc Rengar Twitch Evelynn Khazix Brand Akali Khazix LeeSin Akali Talon JarvanIV Fizz Kaisa Evelynn Kaisa Kaisa Jhin Leblanc

cancer as far as the eye can see

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