What was up with the Champion Roadmap description he had?
We also wanted to create an aggressive playmaker, someone who doesn’t just save a drowning ally, but who forces their enemies to drown themselves… by their own hands.
What is that last part?
Jeddy01722 votesYeah, the "their" in that line was referring the Pyke himself. Riot said "their" to leave the gender of the new champ a mystery.
Kitten of Evil8 votesIf that was their intention, it's phrased really weirdly and it still doesn't explain how he forces enemies to "drown themselves."
Automated Riven3 votesTheir reffers to pyke. Who forces their (pyke) opponents to drown themselves ( as opposed to rescuing drowning allies) ... By their (pyke again to ensure we don't know gender) own hands.
If you replace their with his then it makes sense. Who forces HIS opponents to drown themselves (probably could have replaced themselves with 'instead' however with the context it is technically correct) .. by HIS own hands.
Kitten of Evil3 votesI suppose so, it's just really weird since the assumed construction would be that "their own hands" refers to the nearest pronoun, i.e. "themselves."
Automated Riven2 votesPronouns don't always refer to the nearest pronoun. However in this case the writer did fuck up by leaving a sentence where it's unclear toward whom the pronoun was directed.
MohawkBird3 votes[deleted]
Automated Riven2 votesIt does make sense, you have to take the prior sentances as well.
We wanted to make and aggressive playmaker, someone who doesn't just save a drowning ally, but who forces his enemies to drown themselves ... By his own hands.
It should have been worded better, as it seems like they really wanted to tease the water aspect of his kit, however it really wouldn't make any grammatical sense for 'their' to change meaning in a sentence.
In this sentence it's just simply poorly constructed. The first their is clearly pyke, however the second their could either mean pyke, or themselves. However it appears that 'themselves' is simply to emphasize the difference of who is doing the drowning. It's implied that the enemy is drowning his (pykes) ally and instead of just rescuing them he causes 'themselves' (the ones doing the drowning) do drown instead.
It probably should have read like so,
But who forces his enemies to drown instead .. by his own hands.
Themselves, no matter whom the second 'their' is refering too, is simply awkward in this sentence.
MohawkBird3 votes[deleted]
Automated Riven2 votesIt's akin to saying 'they, themselves' to emphasize something. It doesn't say that they are drowning themselves. It is using 'themselves' as a reference to 'enemies'
It's like saying. They, themselves are going to drown. However it's simply phrased in the worst way possible.
Themselves is purely there to emphasize the enemies over the allies, it's not to convey that the enemies are going to drown themselves.
SennaFirstPick1 votesbut he clearly is a man tho
Terozu7 votesI think it refers to his dash. It causes his opponents to become ghosts in the form of a stun. Theoretically it's symbolic of possession, and they're forced to drown under enemy damage.
Kitten of Evil3 votesI like this interpretation! It's a bit of a stretch on the mechanics but it's flavorful and ties into his background/trailer.
DeathBurst1 votesit's just to put the emphasis, it doesn't have any grammatical function. He forces the enemy to drown by opposition to help allies drowning. The "themselves" just emphasizes this opposition.
(And both the unrevealed Pyke and the undefined enemy were designed with neutral pronouns, which doesn't help for clarity.)
FullmuteAll play1 voteswtf, couldn't they just use "ones"
OurLestrade10 votesIt was just phrased weirdly, they mean a support who can fight on their own.
Meep Man14 votesI can see that now, but I was still expecting someone who made enemies attack themselves dang! It's also sounds REALLY weird if you remove the dot dot dot.
"...but who forces their enemies to drown themselves by their own hands."
It's like saying themselves twice.
OurLestrade8 votes[{quoted}](name=Emperor Churger,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=emPWuklq,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2018-05-14T17:36:31.951+0000)
I can see that now, but I was still expecting someone who made enemies attack themselves dang! It's also sounds REALLY weird if you remove the dot dot dot.
"...but who forces their enemies to drown themselves by their own hands."
It's like saying themselves twice.
I was hoping it'd be some sort of Lovecraft sea monster that could break brains too :P
Sp33d Zer01 votesI think its just because of how many ways you can read that sentence.
You can read it as they are inflicting it upon themselves - or you can read it as they themselves are drowning.
Teridax687 votesI get the feeling the whole "forces enemies to drown themselves" part was an entirely different ability that got cut from Pyke's kit relatively late in development. There is strictly nothing to his current ability set that even comes close to that kind of thematic or gameplay, and the implication that he "doesn't just save a drowning ally" also implies that part of his kit (his hook, most likely) also had some ally interaction, which also got cut. Effectively, the Pyke that existed at the time of that announcement was likely a very different champion from the one we're seeing now.
NewAtlantis6 votesThis game> Did not need> ANOTHER > ASSASIN
Du Ma Mi6 votesThe word> Assassin> Has a total of > 4 s' in it
gabetheguy5 votesThis game> Did not need> ANOTHER > ASSASIN
ass-a-sin? why all of the >s? the mysteries of the boards
Ackelope3 votesbecause he was still short one
Aptest3 votes[{quoted}](name=Emperor Churger,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=emPWuklq,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-05-14T17:31:15.686+0000)
What was up with the Champion Roadmap description he had?
What is that last part?
Hopefully, it means an assassin that can be effective as an assassin without removing agency from the assassinated.
losdougrados3 votesEmpty words that Riot will act as if never happened?
Not the first or the last time it's gonna happen.