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I've finally come around and realized that bot lane is all that matters in this game now

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Mages have been neutered repeatedly, we had like 7 mid laners nerfed in ONE patch.

Every jungler or assassin that used to shit on bot lanes early enough to matter have been nerfed(RIP Rengar, LeBlanc, Lee Sin, Elise, Khazix). There is something seriously fucked up when there is not a single assassin jungler in the top 10 winrates for junglers, and Twitch has a better jungle winrate than Khazix, Rengar, and Kindred.

Mid lane assassin? Please don't make me laugh by the time you are able to effectively roam bot you won't even be able touch that ADC if they have a Janna/Thresh/Lulu/Taric/Braum/Sona/Soraka/Nami support that is half decent or the ADC is a Kalista or Xayah.

Playing a mid lane carry? Guess what you're about to tilt off the face of the earth once the ADC is able to get even the slightest amount of peel from their feeding top laner/jungler/mid laner as long as they have their support to spam them with heals/shields/disengage tools you're just gonna get out sustained and eventually chain CC'd to death. It doesn't matter if they're 1/10 as long as you're playing Gragas/Sejuani/J4/Maokai/Galio just dive and hard engage and they'll win with their now untouchable ADC.

Playing a split pusher? Cool just wait till that ADC and support rotate top tell me how that works out for you.

29 Comments

Hexs Fortune21 votes

Bot lane is all that matters, yet the adc has the least amount of control over it.

Team with the better support and bot lane ganks, wins.

Maybe thats balance to some

Siyther2 votes

i agree that most bot lanes are decided by the "supports".

Enraged Piglet4 votes

I can climb with viktor and orianna and I barely play mid. I mean even the top challenger mid players all play things like Cass/leblanc/taliyah/syndra/kat/tf/lucian/vel'koz/orianna/ryze as there most played champ. Hell wasn't there a one trick viktor player who got to challenger/master? Amd viktor seems to be one of the weaker mages. Hell even thinking of Annie Bot he's able to one trick Annie and still be in high diamond. Apdo seems to mainly play mages and he can get to challenger with very little losses.

Also despite what you guys seem to think bot lane also carries by getting a lead and then getting objectives. One of the reasons Adc is neccesarry is because they take objectives. One of the huge reasons trist is so strong right now has to do with the fact she's pretty good at getting objectives and getting objectives is good because it gives the team global gold. Also jungle and mid carry by getting there team ahead as well and giving map pressure and vision. It's really not any different at they end of the day. In fact sense most ad's can't 1v1 and don't have tp for baron or anything and can't really solo pressure lane or get wards down it could be said that adc's can easily have a hard time carrying in comparison to how I can carry with even something like support (even without ardent) just by having map pressure and knowing how to teamfight. With a support you can somewhat cover the fact that your teamates don't know how to teamfight but with ad if your team plays it the wrong way they can make even the strongest ad's on there team useless.

Dani El Pezglobo1 votes

only mages with utility and low cd / resets are viable right now. look the list : cass dps , leblanc low cd , taliyah low cd , syndra low cd , kata resets , tf isnt really played, just apdo love him because he works so good to roam and defeat scripters, lucian isnt a mage , vel'koz isnt played 2 much , orianna low cd , ryze low cd / reset and he isnt played due nerfs. Dats the midlane meta right now , if u are unable to do dps , or have tons of utility , u are out and u cant carry.

Look the pool champs , lmao , only 4s q midlaners.

Salson2 votes

That's the saddest type of balance there is.

Yes, it's a team game, but why not endorse stuff like Wombo Combos that are team based mechanical outplays. Not this invest into a hypercarry and win when they stat check everything shit.

Dani El Pezglobo1 votes

i wanna be able to carry again a game if i got feed (as a midlaner) and not be 10/0 to get oneshoted by an unkillable adc who have item 3107 item 3190 item 3504 item 3109 , how im suppost someone who have (out of him build , 3k shield , 12 % damage reduction , free item 3072 , and free summoner 7

Cowseed1 votes

Support has control but it's ultimately the adc that decides the fate of said support. I've had one of the worst bot lanes ever recently. Made our support virtually useless for the first part of the game.

The varus that this cait fed was average at best. I didn't fear the varus but i did want to stay the f away from the Zilean.

And quite suprisingly the maokai support we had was pretty decent later in the game when he got space from the caitlyn.

I pretty much decided the mid game. Our adc just fucked up the late game. But bronze though.

Jerry SeinfeId7 votes

"I've finally come around and realized that i can farm upvotes now"

Chisel Tick Kick3 votes

You're wrong, I've been climbing the past few weeks as mid laners such as Malzahar/ Ziggs/ Brand /Zilean Shit is easy

Pumping Iron2 votes

Cause in every single game u won u had a good adc.

PePsiLemoNN2 votes

Yea there is this thing called ''meta''. Believe it or not , there's always been a meta.

And

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Bot lane is all that matters, yet the adc has the least amount of control over it.

Team with the better support and bot lane ganks wins.

Maybe thats balance to some

IoLana1 votes

Hopefully they will fix the issues after worlds is over or beginning of the pre-season.Ardent censor is getting a nerf in 7.19 and one of its stats is being removed. Tristan's is getting a nerf aswell.

Critmaster Garen4 votes

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Hopefully they will fix the issues after worlds is over or beginning of the pre-season.Ardent censor is getting a nerf in 7.19 and one of its stats is being removed. Tristan's is getting a nerf aswell.

worlds arent an excuse. the worlds patches were around 7.15 and 7.16.

worlds arent played on the live patches by the time the tournament starts. they could do something about it right now.

op could replace "mid lane" with "top lane" and "assassin" with "fighter" and its the same problem. i decided to give up on ranked until preseason for the same reason. if you dont play bot lane or at least jungle, you have no agency over the game. and junglers lose their impact after 10 minutes aswell, if they arent peel bots.

end of season the ques are flooded with boosters anyways because people start paying for those diamond loading screen boarders. the meta is cancer, the ques are cancer. no point in playing.

i dont even blame tanks, nor am i bothered with the amount of cc. i blame marksmen and their items. the class is just way overtuned. other carry classes benefit the same way from support protection and tank cc. but since marksmen are just so much stronger with their itemization and their damage tuning, they get the most out of all the support.

they need to cut marksmen dps down to the levels of melee carries, and apc.

Somebody Love Me2 votes

Worlds is played on 7.18

AirKingNeo1 votes

Ok, so I can shitpost as soon at 7.18 is released that there is no longer an excuse for this stupidity of balance right now.

Somebody Love Me1 votes

You can shit post now because they are really doing nothing to fix the game for worlds. These last 2 patches have literally been nothing notable but mid lane changes, when mid lane isn't the problem

skyskee0082 votes

I mean Yi/Trynd/Fiora generally outdps the shit out of marksmen they just can't get in range without dying.

Critmaster Garen2 votes

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I mean Yi/Trynd/Fiora generally outdps the shit out of marksmen they just can't get in range without dying.

im not even convinced of that. neither of them deals more damage than twitch popping r, or draven with a crit on his q. probably not even more than crit vayne, or sivir with runniung ult.

they all have comparable steroids to melee carries. some of them have simply more burst added to extreme attack steroids, like tristana.

even varus gets 80% attack speed off his passive lategame. yi doesnt get much more out of his ult and e.

Doctor Dyment2 votes

Oh a fed Yi who can get in range can easily melt an ADC, but the same goes for the ADC melting Master Yi. It all comes down to who attacks first and who gets the first crit.

Dani El Pezglobo1 votes

Fiora can do it , unless its vayne , but main issue is dat a champ suppost to do dps and be focused on tf , shouldnt be able to lane bully u , or to do 1000 from 1 aa to 1 objetive.

Somebody Love Me1 votes

I got crit by a Draven for 1856 damage when I only had 1810 health.

Abibyama1 votes

They don't want to make major changes right before worlds, remember worlds last year and the year before that? I'm sorry but I don't want juggernauts patch 2.0

lojician1 votes

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Surely this is the season riot will recognize ranged autoattacks are already a significant advantage and stop giving adcs more mobility than assassins, more burst than mages, better steroids than melee autoers, and enough cheap, safe sustain to autowin any lane someone feels like playing them in (or any lategame 1v1).

Optimistic.

ShaolinToilet1 votes

If you're good at kha you can still climb easily

NineTailedMystic1 votes

Tell that to my Yi Kayle bot lane who fed their asses off.

Snowplosion1 votes

Twitch, a top tier ADC, has a higher win rate than some of the worst junglers.... Who would have thought.

lojician2 votes

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Twitch, a top tier ADC, has a higher win rate than some of the worst junglers.... Who would have thought.

In the jungle, genius.

Snowplosion1 votes

Again, top tier ADC, in any role, would usually have higher win rate than sub par junglers.

squido1 votes

league of support janna/lulu and trist/kogmaw/twitch

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