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Am I the only one who thinks that Fiora is balanced?

YumaS2Astral··4 votes·556 views

I mean... Yes, she has true damage based on your health. Yes, she is unduelable during the mid/late game.

However, from what I've seen playing as her and against her, Fiora's early game is terrible. If your opponent knows how to play around Fiora's passive, you will have an extremely hard time as Fiora. Her true damage based on max health doesn't have a good base damage and Fiora needs to buy some AD items to allow it to actually do good damage. The problem is that they nerfed Tiamat, and because Fiora lacks waveclear, it is really, really easy to deny her from farming, control and freeze the lane, and zone Fiora. It is also easy to leave her behind for the same reason. Also, even if she manages to complete Ravenous Hydra, she needs Black Cleaver for the CDR. And she also needs some resistance items (Maw, Randuin, Deadman's) to make her have good survivability during fights (so that she can actually make use of her true damage).

All in all, Fiora's early game is bad. Her base stats are terrible, and her base damage is low too - but her scalings are amazing. Due to all those reasons, she is pretty item dependent. Until she can complete at least a Ravenous Hydra, it seems that playing as her during the early game is an awful experience, especially if your opponent is playing a lane bully like Darius or Renekton or Riven, all which can snowball and outtrade Fiora during the early game, before she can get her items and outscale them.

11 Comments

SwapShadows4 votes

No you probably aren't but she factually is pretty broken and overpowered.

cinomenapplebae2 votes

I think shes very balanced, just low elo people jump on the bandwagon of "RIVEN AND FIORA ARE TOO BROKEN LOL EGGS DEE!!111"

Crossette1 votes

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This kit is in no way healthier than her old one. The old one had clear weaknesses.

Let's look at old fiora, a teamfighting monstrosity with that ult who snowballs insanely well. Weaknesses? Camp her. Build armor. CC her.

Let's look at new fiora, a dueling monstrosity with a janna ult tacked onto an ult meant for....dueling, who snowballs just as hard, if not harder as old fiora. Weaknesses? Camp her...but she has W and Q to escape a gank and reflect potent CC. Build armor and health? Nope. Don't let her snowball? Ridiculous max HP true damage doesn't require as many resources like the old fiora did. QSS her ult? Yeah, lemme get a QSS as a bruiser at level 6. Not to mention she then just auto attacks you to death while you can't do shit because you have no combat stats, or she just slows you with her E then Qs out, then if you try to CC her she just Ws, reflects it, then runs back to tower.

Conclusion? Old fiora was a lot more risk for higher reward, but that high reward still could be used against her by building defensive items such as thornmail. New fiora? A hell of a lot less risk, for a lesser reward, but at the cost of having literally uncounterable damage.

Give me old fiora back. Fuck my life this new one is bullshit to deal with.

Not my own quote, but sums it up too well.

Troiann2 votes

Her early game is bad?

Her early game is only beat by renekton and darius. And these champions have mediocre scaling. Fiora builds two damage items and pumps out adc damage, while having an invulnerability spell and a dash that is more potent than yasuos once you have even the slightest bit of CDR.

And then that ridiculous bullshit heal.

Not to mention actual reliable CC to stack on TOP of her 2 second dash.

I absolutely hate her. Is she balanced? I honestly am not too sure, her winrates mediocre and while she's receiving a lot of pro play she hasn't been doing absurdly well in it. But my god I fucking despise her.

Verxint1 votes

As a Fiora main I think she's somewhere slightly above balanced. I don't know what would be the best thing to change, since she is very skill based, but in the right hands, she becomes basically unstoppable without a lot of effort from the enemy team.

Thankfully she has a lot of levers they can tune her with. What's important is that this kit is actually healthier than the old one with a lot more room for gameplay. I just feel from my experience playing her I can use things fairly sub-optimally and still win, so that usually means some amount of nerf is needed.

At the same time, I think a lot of people fail to understand how to play against her and she punishes certain mistakes really hard.

Troiann1 votes

This kit is in no way healthier than her old one. The old one had clear weaknesses.

Let's look at old fiora, a teamfighting monstrosity with that ult who snowballs insanely well. Weaknesses? Camp her. Build armor. CC her.

Let's look at new fiora, a dueling monstrosity with a janna ult tacked onto an ult meant for....dueling, who snowballs just as hard, if not harder as old fiora. Weaknesses? Camp her...but she has W and Q to escape a gank and reflect potent CC. Build armor and health? Nope. Don't let her snowball? Ridiculous max HP true damage doesn't require as many resources like the old fiora did. QSS her ult? Yeah, lemme get a QSS as a bruiser at level 6. Not to mention she then just auto attacks you to death while you can't do shit because you have no combat stats, or she just slows you with her E then Qs out, then if you try to CC her she just Ws, reflects it, then runs back to tower.

Conclusion? Old fiora was a lot more risk for higher reward, but that high reward still could be used against her by building defensive items such as thornmail. New fiora? A hell of a lot less risk, for a lesser reward, but at the cost of having literally uncounterable damage.

Give me old fiora back. Fuck my life this new one is bullshit to deal with.

Verxint1 votes

Old fiora was literally 3 targetted spells. New one involves actually using your abilities well.

Her weaknesses are being squishy, item dependent, vulnerable without W which has a long CD, and low damage output without hitting vitals.

Like I said she's probably overpowered, which makes her get away with a lot of things she shouldn't unless she plays like a god. But compared to the entirely one-dimensional piece of crap the old Fiora was, this is way better.

Snowball4u1 votes

any champ that stomps lane so hard that they can 1v5 and people will call them op.

EndlessSorcerer1 votes

It's possible that her passive true damage is slightly overtuned, but I'm not the best judge of these things.

It's my opinion that she can be annoying to play against, but that is not the same as being overpowered. I don't really have any issues with her current state.

Crossette1 votes

If her early game is bad, then why don't people shut her down then so she isn't

unduelable during the mid/late game

Oh yeah, because you CAN'T.

shyv1 votes

Lol i play fiora all the time. she's not balanced.

im not even good with her, i don't know what im doing, i press buttons and win

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