Kind of amazed that whoever on the balance team thinks this okay still has a job, because they're doing a pretty terrible job of it.
Sorry, but a fed ADC with IE + Bloodthirster + Shiv and a Censer support should not be able to lifesteal 100% of their health in 3 seconds.
Atuko19 votesA fed champion (who's also being pocketed by a support) is able to do large amounts of damage and take on three non-equally fed people
What a surprise, this has never been heard of ever in the history of League of Legends, someone stop the presses
It Hertz When IP4 votesYour sarcasm was so good, I didn't even realize it was sarcasm at first. Well done.
Infernape8 votesBloodthirster? I haven't seen one of those built in a while with the ardent users. Well except on Draven
Niaphim9 votesJust wanted to say exactly the same thing. Even Draven prefers DD over BT. I legit can't remember when I saw BT last time, either in my games or on streams.
DuskDaUmbreon1 votesThe only time I don't see it very often is because I see a lot of champions that prefer BorK instead, and having both BorK and BT is excessive.
Thefrostyviking8 votesAny AD champ with enough AD and just 10% lifesteal can heal to full from a single wave.
Fiora does it, jax does it, and shyv does it.
And nearly all marksmen currently roll 3 crit items then armor pen or lifesteal O-o This to increase the value of IE and crit.
MeBotMeCarry8 votesSeriously? People like you need to stop. You're the reason ADC was the worst role for an entire season. They come back into the meta and you immediately tell riot that it's broken and throw a temper tantrum. You feed the enemy ADC and expect "Oh well, he's the ADC so we should be able to kill him easily even if he's fed." Sorry you were able to do that for a season but that's not how the game should work anyway. It was your fault you fed them and your fault you didn't work around it by picking a burst assassin going into a game with an ardent censer support.
Kloqdq4 votesBut like, ADC wasn't...? During that whole assassin meta the Marksman was still required, played and adapted. As the class always, and I really do mean always does. Games were still won by bot lane and despite what you may believe, the lane that got the most ganks would end up winning the game. ADCs weren't bad, mid and junglers just had more roaming power and could make the most gold off bot lane. If ADC was the worst role, then we wouldn't have seen them for the whole start of the season but guess what, we still did. Then we buffed every single aspect of the class even though they weren't weak, nerfed assassins and jungler power and then give tanks and supports tons more power to protect their marksman and boom. Welcome to Season 7 the worst god damn season ever. I would take the fucking Raid Boss meta over this shit.
MeBotMeCarry6 votesActually, it was the worst role and almost every league streamer acknowledged it. Marksman is required because it's the only class that is expected to have consistent damage. Games were won and lost by bot lane because it was a 4-5 man dive on the ADC. They didn't nerf any class as hard as ADC in season. Fervor nerfs, warlords nerfs, qss hard nerf, ie nerf, and on top of assassin buffs in items. please and think when typing
Kloqdq4 votesWhen did they nerf ADs? They hit certain things that were stupidly strong and for good reason being abused. Fervor was stupidly strong and warlords was also dumb. QSS came out fine and really only hard denied Zed and Fizz, Zed being the least played assassin at the time and Fizz was in the process of getting dumpster.
Assassin items soon took place on adcs and then they started to completely crush each other from 1000 units away. Everyone was getting one shotted and it wasn't just marksmans. Streamers said that but they didn't mention how bot lane has the most gold tied up in it with 2 people to sweeten the deal. Of course everyone is going to dive bot when it's the easiest lane to gank with a 5-man and you get the most gold out of it. Turrets are still shit and that also helped to the 5 man ganks. The role was still strong and mandatory but is also one of the easiest to fall behind and that's why the game became a zoo bot lane where we snowball off the enemy.
Saying they are weak is the biggest load of horseshit to come out of the start of the season.
MeBotMeCarry1 voteswhat are you even talking about QSS was the single biggest nerf in that season and it made zed the top assassin list next to talon after that because there was no counterplay to him besides the GA that was just defensive stats at the time and was useless on CD? You are not very smart if you think the reason that people get 4-5 manned bot is because of the "gold" the 2 people provide. It's because it was the easiest lane to shut down and the most useful thing to shut down. If it was because of the "gold" you would have seen no difference in the amount of diving from last season to this one, but this season has a lot less. Listen to your own logic, if ADC's have to use ASSASSINS items to make it off in games, isn't that saying something? Besides that, of course the role is "mandatory" every role is "mandatory" but you are stupid if you think just because it's "mandatory" that means that it's not the worst class. Saying ADC's didnt get nerfed and wasn't the worst class in 2017 isn't bullshit, it's pure stupidity and lack of knowledge of the changing items and meta.
Frightning1 voteswhat are you even talking about QSS was the single biggest nerf in that season and it made zed the top assassin list next to talon after that because there was no counterplay to him besides the GA that was just defensive stats at the time and was useless on CD? You are not very smart if you think the reason that people get 4-5 manned bot is because of the "gold" the 2 people provide. It's because it was the easiest lane to shut down and the most useful thing to shut down. If it was because of the "gold" you would have seen no difference in the amount of diving from last season to this one, but this season has a lot less. Listen to your own logic, if ADC's have to use ASSASSINS items to make it off in games, isn't that saying something? Besides that, of course the role is "mandatory" every role is "mandatory" but you are stupid if you think just because it's "mandatory" that means that it's not the worst class. Saying ADC's didnt get nerfed and wasn't the worst class in 2017 isn't bullshit, it's pure stupidity and lack of knowledge of the changing items and meta.
I feel like you must not have been playing in the seasons prior to 6, or you'd know that ever since pre-season of season 6, ADCs have been the strongest archetype in the game by a margin and that simply hasn't changed. If you think ADCs were bad in pre-season 7 when the new assassins landed and no one knew how to counterplay them yet, then you failing to recognize the correct chain of cause and effect at play then. Once ADC players learned how to counterplay the new assassins, they went right back to being most effective class and assassins settled into their niche of early-mid game relevance.
Kloqdq1 votesYou do realize that assassin meta got completely shut out after about a month when adcs realized they could abuse assassin items far better than the assassins right?
They weren't even hit in the slightest. They got stupidly strong from the ADC rework and that power has just been growing. Assassins have a strong in your face early game which some adcs couldn't deal with. They then took the items and early game/long range adcs and just took a fat dump on assassins.
If it was because of the "gold" you would have seen no difference in the amount of diving from last season to this one
Bot lane is still the most effective lane to gank. Getting control on botlane grants you more gold than anywhere else. Top lane is the easiest lane with mid lane varying but out of all lanes you want to gain control off as a jungler and in turn a team, it's bot lane. That has only become more true with the last changes that makes bot lane snowballing the most powerful way to win.
Saying ADC's didnt get nerfed and wasn't the worst class in 2017 isn't bullshit, it's pure stupidity and lack of knowledge of the changing items and meta.
They didn't get nerfed, nor were the worst class. They were still mandatory to your teams success. If you didn't play one you were still harming your team farm more than if you didn't. Don't try and act like they weren't 100% needed. If they were the worst than you would have seen fighters or long range mages go bot to stay safe or be harder to take down. Ziggs showing up for like 2 weeks is far from counting.
Teridax684 votesIf a class is still considered the only one capable of providing an essential contribution, and that in itself is enough to keep picking that class on both teams consistently, then it's not the worst class around. Fighters are also meant to be providers of DPS, yet the fact that they're not even considered for that contribution on the same level as marksmen is telling. Supports are meant to be unique providers of utility, but they easily get pushed out of bot lane whenever mages or tanks are stronger, or even just equally competitive. "ADC in 2k17" I feel was probably the single worst exaggeration in the history of the game, and I feel it was particularly unjustified as the class was still essential to both teams and capable of doing their jobs, even if they had a slightly harder time than before and after.
ZT Xperimentor1 votesOh no, not one season! It's not like they've been the required class for over 5 years . . .
MeBotMeCarry1 votesIt's a required class because Riot is forcing the meta by making it the most consistent damage that's why it has to be played. It's the same with supports and every other role. Btw the whole "Oh no, not one season!" is stupid, no one was crying over the fact that it happened. I'm arguing over the fact that people think it wasn't the worst role.
ZT Xperimentor1 votesI'm well aware of riot's biased balancing act. However the complaint of them being useless for a while is likewise pathetic, every other class has already had a season or two of being unusable.
DuskDaUmbreon4 votesShow clips, because this doesn't happen.
Unless, of course, the ADC is drastically far ahead.
Sorry, but a fed ADC with IE + Bloodthirster + Shiv and a Censer support should not be able to lifesteal 100% of their health in 3 seconds.
Shiv is all but irrelevant for this. Censer is 20-35, based off of level. Let's say 28, for having three items.
BT is 80 AD, IE is 70, for a total of 150 from items, and about 230 total AD for the marksman. You have a maximum of 30% lifesteal from this, assuming you have the vampirism mastery, lifesteal quints, and Doran's blade. That means you heal 97 (69+28) per hit to a minion or some other 0 armor creature.
With Shiv, you have an approximate 1.2 AS, for about 116 (97*1.2) health per second. Over three seconds, this is about 350 (rounded up, because we dropped some fractions before). 350 health over 3 seconds.
Please, tell me what marksman has only 350 health at any level. Oh...right...None do. The absolute lowest base HP total is 340, for an unmounted Kled at level 1 with no runes or masteries.
#Stop posting bullshit to justify your circlejerk
Noblewind4 votesA Fed ADC midgame is always going to destroy people. Just like a fed anything will dominate midgame....
PePsiLemoNN4 votesbut a fed ADC with IE + Bloodthirster + Shiv and a Censer support
You're so salty you didn't realize you fucked your own point up by saying he was FED. Feed a 
and then complain that he 1v3's next ?
Succubús GF2 votesThe difference is one can shoot from a 600+ radius. J.S
PePsiLemoNN2 votesAnother difference is that one builds one damage item and 5 defensive items and still deals 1k true dmg.
Succubús GF2 votesHonestly I would take an immobile bruiser to a mobile hyper carry adc just imo.
Kloqdq1 votesanother big difference is one doesn't have 4 players who sole role is to be that hyper carry's bitches.
Fairyfleur3 votesclips or it didn't happen
AgentBlack3 votesWhy not? Do you know how many things in this game can kill an ADC in under 3 seconds?
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DariusDemiurge2 votesGet out LC$'d.
Lauchmelder2 votesIt's even more retarded if you are the fed burst mage and you can't kill the equally fed ADC because he bought DD and PD.
DuskDaUmbreon3 votesI'm trying to see where this happens. Just about any burst mage can 100-0 an ADC on equal terms. The only one that struggles a bit is Ahri, but that's because she lacks the damage to kill just about anyone outright.
I'd like to see an ADC survive a Syndra R at level 16, without having half the team shield him/her.
Lauchmelder2 votesConsidering DD and PD + any one more bit of lifesteal that ADC can and will survive the Syndra R.
And can we finally stop claiming the nonsense that a Syndra R alone can kill about anyone already?
Enraged Piglet2 votesyou know you have to hit someone for pd to work and if anyone is building PD and DD on any adc right now exept for some niche game it means there shit. Like even Draven doesn't build DD much, he really only builds BT for the most part and the only champion that really builds PD everygame if Kalista I think. Which Kalista builds it often as a third item. Then DD is also viable on kalista in some games as well but thats usually like a 5th 6th item thing and kalista is usually shit by the time a game gets to that point.
Succubús GF1 votesWhat kalista doesn't scale into late? o.o
like a 5th 6th item thing and kalista is usually shit by the time a game gets to that point.
Krytoric1 votesbut thats not nonsense, i play syndra mid if i get mid because of this, it takes literally 0 skill to play syndra, if you land 1 q after 2 items you can ult anyone thats not a tank and kill them.
you can literally stack q's (not land them) and then walk to an ADC and ult, and if they dont get a locket shield or pop heal they're dead.
Succubús GF1 votesThat's the problem
I'd like to see an ADC survive a Syndra R at level 16, without having half the team shield him/her.
Kaeblen2 votesYeah... I complained about this lifesteal **** 3 years ago. It took all this for you guys to catch up?
Really though. If you hate lifesteal. It's been here a while. Notice how both of us are still here too?
Imperial Japan1 votesKind of amazed that whoever on the balance team thinks this okay still has a job, because they're doing a pretty terrible job of it.
Sorry, but a fed ADC with IE + Bloodthirster + Shiv and a Censer support should not be able to lifesteal 100% of their health in 3 seconds.
I think fed ADC is the reason
Stephenizgod1 votesWell the ADC is fed... I mean any carry would do the same thing if they were fed. Try fighting a fed Kha'zix... you don't even need to be isolated for him to 100-0 in half a second. or Syndra... ugh...
What is truly disgusting about ADC's is no matter how underfed they are, once they get about 3-4 items they will start to 3 shot kill anyone who isn't a tank. Not very fun to be insta-killed by champion you have been absolutely stomping all game.
sit kid1 votesMeanwhile on EU boards where people complain about fed Yasuos and how they cant play around his windwall. Zzzzzz
Blue Mystified1 votesit's funny to me because it was always this way before for me. As a support main if i got my adc 5 or 6 kills in lane (I used to do that frequently back when leona was ... idk, good? this was 3-4 years ago) and they'd be able to do that. now it just takes half that many kills. Maybe bot lane meta should turn into a proactive tanky/ safe playing style so that you prevent the adc from getting snowballed rather than it being a coin flip on which adc gets snowballed first.
