If people on these boards had their way that ADCs would be irrelevant, Tanks would never die, assassin's would truly one shot Squishies(as in one auto attack or ability=dead) Mages would spell vamp 100% of their health back,Melee champs would replace the ADC role, and juggernauts would be left unchanged.
FooDang2 votesNo one wants ADCs to be irrelevant. Just tuned down just a little bit.
IMO adcs are supposed to be sustained DPS in team fights but right now certain ADCs are "1 shotting" champions like assassins. Every time I see that im like wtf lol.
AR URF2 votesNo one wants ADCs to be irrelevant. Just tuned down just a little bit.
IMO adcs are supposed to be sustained DPS in team fights but right now certain ADCs are "1 shotting" champions like assassins. Every time I see that im like wtf lol.
But ADCs are supposed to be like that to deal with tanks late game. And basically it goes like this. If you play an assassin. You're sacfricing late game damage for some early game damage. And vice versa for ADC. You guys all act surprised when ADCs invest all their gold into damage. ADCs are designed to kill you.
Besides. Assassins are one shotting with duskblade, so why not ADC? I personally don't like the ADC role because I don't like sharing a lane with a random.
FooDang1 votes[{quoted}](name=AR URF,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=eRaqKfZm,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2017-12-02T00:20:46.240+0000)
Besides. Assassins are one shotting with duskblade, so why not ADC?
Because ADC's are ranged...
Critmaster Garen3 votes[{quoted}](name=AR URF,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=eRaqKfZm,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2017-12-02T00:20:46.240+0000)
But ADCs are supposed to be like that to deal with tanks late game. And basically it goes like this. If you play an assassin. You're sacfricing late game damage for some early game damage.
here is the problem with that.
lethality needs time to scale.
adc itemization is literally cheaper than bruiser, assassin, mage and tank items.
AR URF2 votes[{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=eRaqKfZm,comment-id=000100000001,timestamp=2017-12-02T00:34:27.981+0000)
here is the problem with that.
lethality needs time to scale.
adc itemization is literally cheaper than bruiser, assassin, mage and tank items.
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on the same build.
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Well that's enough of that. Now let's compare ADC to mages We'll start with the cheap items
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The only cheaper ADC item is or . Those don't affect you very much as far as damage other than the crit chance.
So really it's the assassins that have the cheapest builds.
Tanks?
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None of these items even break 3k. So you're completely wrong on ADCs being the cheapest build.
Critmaster Garen3 votes[{quoted}](name=AR URF,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=eRaqKfZm,comment-id=0001000000010000,timestamp=2017-12-02T05:10:20.693+0000)
Well that's enough of that. Now let's compare ADC to mages We'll start with the cheap items
The only cheaper ADC item is
So really it's the assassins that have the cheapest builds.
Tanks?
None of these items even break 3k. So you're completely wrong on ADCs being the cheapest build.
a lot of adc are rushing 
cannon for their first 3 items.
combined thats 8600 gold.
if you compare this to other classes 3 item core builds, like say.
and a resistance item like then thats a combined 9100 gold.
and a third item (lets make it cheap) 
is a combined 9350 gold.
is 9300 gold
remember that marksmen itemization outscales the itemization of other carries.
thats the problem. zeal items are WAY too fucking cheap. rapid fire and shiv should cost 200 to 300 gold more. phantom dancers should cost 300 to 400 gold more.
because right now, marksmen are designed around a really fucking strong lategame, but they pop off earlier than bruisers, mages and assassins off the same gold.
if you dont just snowball the fuck out of your lane as a bruiser or assassin, then youre going to be behind an adc with an equal amount of gold. and you will never be able to catch up anymore.
and bot lane is usually a very snowbally lane, where one of the adc (either yours or the enemy) will just get a double kill early on and then translate that into a turret and dragon, possibly more kills before you can even make yourself relevant from top lane.
its just so much more likely that one of the two marksmen in the game will hit their 3 item spike when you just completed your second item in another lane.
AR URF1 votes[{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=eRaqKfZm,comment-id=00010000000100000000,timestamp=2017-12-02T13:36:37.177+0000)
a lot of adc are rushing
combined thats 8600 gold.
if you compare this to other classes 3 item core builds, like say.
remember that marksmen itemization outscales the itemization of other carries.
thats the problem. zeal items are WAY too fucking cheap. rapid fire and shiv should cost 200 to 300 gold more. phantom dancers should cost 300 to 400 gold more.
are all going to be very useless for someone that builds 
with because the said ADC has no armor pen. So really that build is pointless. Even an assassin can throw on or just to counter it and will do a pretty good job at it to.
Critmaster Garen2 votes[{quoted}](name=AR URF,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=eRaqKfZm,comment-id=000100000001000000000000,timestamp=2017-12-02T13:43:15.292+0000)
great fucking suggestion.
im going to rush and in a top lane matchup every game as a bruiser, just because i need to be prepared for that 3 item marksman on bot lane. lfmao.
or as a mage on mid lane.
get out.
there are other types of carries than marksman in this game, and they want to build their own itemization instead of being forced to get tabi/randuins or get bodied by that ranged champion who scales harder and has cheaper items.
AR URF1 votes[{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=eRaqKfZm,comment-id=0001000000010000000000000000,timestamp=2017-12-02T13:47:32.591+0000)
great fucking suggestion.
im going to rush
or as a mage on mid lane.
get out.
there are other types of carries than marksman in this game, and they want to build their own itemization instead of being forced to get tabi/randuins or get bodied by that ranged champion who scales harder and has cheaper items.
It really depends on who the marksman is. But will help a lot.
Critmaster Garen2 votes[{quoted}](name=AR URF,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=eRaqKfZm,comment-id=00010000000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-12-02T14:19:51.278+0000)
It really depends on who the marksman is. But
your solution cant be "well i guess everyone can just always build tabi every game because that ONE champion exists down there on bot lane".
so other types of boots are invalidated because tabi are mandatory since you need to be able to keep up with a midgame marksman?
no. boots are supposed to be situational to the enemy teamcomp. just nerf the fucking marksmen items lmao.
AR URF1 votes[{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=eRaqKfZm,comment-id=000100000001000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-12-02T14:23:02.183+0000)
your solution cant be "well i guess everyone can just always build tabi every game because that ONE champion exists down there on bot lane".
so other types of boots are invalidated because tabi are mandatory since you need to be able to keep up with a midgame marksman?
no. boots are supposed to be situational to the enemy teamcomp. just nerf the fucking marksmen items lmao.
What are you talking about? The three items you suggested have no armor pen. and why would you not go tanky with a 
if you were a juggernaut? Don't complain when you go tanky or play a juggernaut and refuse to counter build players. Better yet, don't go around complaining that "ADCs have too cheap items".
Critmaster Garen2 votesmarksmen need to go back to kick in around 5 items, not around 3 items. and their itemization needs a cost increase to not just suddenly give them a midgame power spike thats stronger than actual midgame champions are supposed to be.
Vapor Wave Vibes1 votesWho on the boards is asking for any of that or are you joking?
AR URF2 votes[{quoted}](name=Vapor Wave Vibes,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=eRaqKfZm,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-12-01T23:50:17.291+0000)
Who on the boards is asking for any of that or are you joking?
Just something I've noticed with all the "Nerf ADC" threads getting up-voted. The "Nerf tank damage" threads getting down-voted and so forth.
Critmaster Garen1 votes[{quoted}](name=AR URF,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=eRaqKfZm,comment-id=,timestamp=2017-12-01T23:40:28.318+0000)
If people on these boards had their way that ADCs would be irrelevant
there is a difference between non mandatory/ not busted as fuck, and irrelevant.
gabetheguy1 votesif you think these boards are retarded, you've never been to the overwatch boards.