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I don't see any nerfs in 8.10 among the items. When it boils down to it, it's all adc BUFFS.

Azadethe·5/2/2018, 7:24:33 PM·21 votes·3,467 views

I know on its face, some of the reworks look like good things.... the 200 g increase to item 3086 items, the removal of Crit from item 3031 and item 3508 , but I can ensure you..... it's NOT a nerf.

EDIT: I was wrong about Jhin and Caitlyn .

Xayah is still a concern, because hers actually works

(Thank you to all who corrected me)

Then there's item 3508 's change. No longer offers Crit, but it's 20% CDR, and the champions who use it.......Lucian Kalista Xayah Benefit far more from the new passive than the old one.....

Lucian gaining 30% Attack speed on basic attacks and earlier CDR and non ult CDR is HUGE, because it makes his W/Q/E more spammable. Even fast champs won't be able to outrun him because of Relentless Pursuit's cooldown being reduced on steroids

Kalista Doesn't need crit on her E, and Essence will reset her Q, making her even more spam friendly.

Xayah Deadly Plumage will become spammable, meaning there is no outrunning her, and she can reset cooldown on her E in the process. If she has perpetual 30% move speed, she will likely lane multiple E Roots. Double Daggers also becomes an almost instant skill after her Ult.

Not to mention..... Xayah will have up to 180% Crit rate in ADDITION, which hyper steroids her E (in 180% Crit rate, E feathers gain 90%, NOT 50% per feather.)

In other words, she's going to hit for 40% more damage.

I don't know about anyone else...... but 1 of three things happens here:

  1. Riot intends to adjust these champions after the patch, (which took 4 weeks to fix Jhin and Yi after the item 3124 snafoo).

  2. They intend to leave them like this: which means new adcs will be the hard meta, and the only way to fight them is going to be 1 shotting their HP (kind of how it is now, but more under these items)

  3. They delay the patch and only implement parts of it until they figure it out.

P.S. What about champs that have "Ultimate" buttons, but don't actually have an Ult, like Udyr (probably why he's being reworked) with item 3508 . Phoenix Strike is going to put all his other skills on hyper cooldown reduction.

36 Comments

TempName748145/2/2018, 7:38:20 PM9 votes

crit is hard capped at 100%. nothing scales beyond 100% crit chance, because it's impossible for crit chance to get past 100%. think of teemo's shroom recharge time, or heim's turret recharge time. they scale with cdr, they aren't cooldowns themselves, and overcapping cdr does nothing for them

ZT Xperimentor5/2/2018, 7:31:26 PM4 votes

Don't forget they're planning on buffing maw of malmortius, because mages are stating to become comparable to them as carries.

wildfox995/2/2018, 8:05:06 PM2 votes

let's not forget the base stats buff on ADCs and that their items will give more AD or armor pen

AirKingNeo5/2/2018, 9:32:53 PM2 votes

IE - Worse build Path, 300 more cost

Zeal - 100 more cost

Zeal upgrades - 200 more cost to each

Last Whisper upgrades - 200 more cost to each

"No nerfs"

dunder kill5/2/2018, 8:22:42 PM1 votes

Whose it a nerf for? Adcs who don't have attributes in their kit which amplify based on crit chances.

So literally all but 2 ADCs and somehow thats a buff to ADCs? Implying any of those ADCs are going to buy ER after the changes? Just becsuse they build it now means theyre going to build it when it gets completely changed? Yeah all those champs that have long ass CDs on their ults are gonna be lining up to get the new ER

These shit posts are getting out of hand holy hell

Manslayer5/2/2018, 9:10:24 PM1 votes

Btw, you're wrong about the Xayah part, she is going to be very bad with the Essence Reaver changes. Also, Xayah is not a double zeal or triple zeal adc as you think, she builds Essence + zeal + IE for a reason, because she wants flat ad and crit chance. Attack speed is an after thought on her. The main problem with the essence change is it doesn't help her at all, sure you get 8 seconds to be able to kite better after ulting, I suppose, but because of the defensive nature of Xayah you can't make full use of it. Also, you'd think it would get your stuff off cooldown extremely fast, but even in a closed system on the pbe with training mode I couldn't get the cooldowns that low, and in fact, dealt 100 less dps compared to life in the same situation.

Xayah at almost all stages of the games deals significantly less damage. At your three item spike, apples to apples you deal less, once you get another zeal item you deal roughly the same, and at 6 items you can deal ever so gently more. The main problem occurs with the fact all Essence Reaver is doing for an adc like Xayah is delaying your actual damage now. And the triple items deal less because you get less crit, similar raw damage, and less cdr making it hard to do what you need to do on Xayah. Finally, Xayah isn't a champion that generally ults for damage, mainly for defense, there are cases you do ult for feathers, but mainly you ult do create zoning tools for 6 seconds and protect yourself. This means you wont be benefiting from the passive as often as say Lucian.

In short, Xayah is getting a really short stick this coming patch, changes to her core items, changes to crit, changes to adc cdr itemization (for her specifically) she is going to be in a very unplayable state. Also Xayah's deadly plumage, the extra attack, is not considered a basic attack, it is actually just an on-hit type of ability that swings off of her. It doesn't proc on hit effects, doesn't proc lifesteal, it is simply 20% of her damage from her primary attack.

LOSINGISMYPRIDE5/3/2018, 1:07:57 AM1 votes

Just to say essence reaver refund work when you use your ult . IE cant be anymore the first item you build .

Critmaster Garen5/2/2018, 7:31:52 PM1 votes

isnt crit auto capped at 100% ?

i see what you mean, that you could technically stack 200% crit chance just to have it factor into abilities like jhns and ashes passives.

but if thats not already the case, riot could just globally cut crit off at 100% to prevent bullshittery.

JackMcSnipeyz5/2/2018, 7:43:02 PM1 votes

So only ones who get actually buffed from excessive crits are cait and jhin but you worded it as it's a blanket buff to all marksmen? As if they cant just nerf those specific champs.

Automated Riven5/2/2018, 8:07:30 PM1 votes

You cannot get 180% crit chance. It's capped at 100%