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I think the entire problem players have with runes can be summed up in Electrocute.

Azadethe·6/13/2018, 8:27:07 AM·43 votes·14,064 views

Okay. I'm a nontraditional player.

I play on Electrocute. I even Jungle them. To great effect.

But when you play with Electrocute.... you really ..... visually get to see what Electrocute does damage wise vs other damage runes, moreso than the AD champs that take it, because her Electrocute procs amidst her plants attacks, which are small chunks.

I literally see my opponent's HP drop by 25% from an electrocute. That's pretty scary. It's not even really tied to how I'm scaling or how i'm getting fed. It's tied to the ratios and base damage on it.

And when you're a pro with Electrocute, you time your combat engages with its cooldowns, and maximize what it can do.

I'm pulling about 3200-3400 damage out of Electrocute in the course of a game right now on in about 23 minute average games. That's comparable to what you get out of a Comet... except all the damage generally guarantees kills rather than being wasted on harassment.

This is pretty much why every high elo champ seems to be running electrocute. Its chunk damage is why players are raging about damage creep, because it's not expected to have a Rune do more damage than skills.

Don't get me wrong. I love taking it because I know reliable damage beats persistent damage any day of the week. But it should make people wonder when a can 100% counter a who has Conquerer and erase him in 1-2 seconds..... because Electrocute pops 25% of his HP.

Just some thoughts.

P.S. Have you bothered to compare how feels on Electrocute vs on Aftershock? I completely understand why people pick Domination on him, even though Resolve is a better tree to augment his weaknesses. His kit can't really kill without Electrocute's damage, unless he plays cat and mouse and does a couple engages instead of one.

48 Comments

Sewer Side6/13/2018, 11:33:16 AM21 votes

The problem with Electrocute is the same with TLD when it was mandatory - it’s a no skill damage modifier for doing something you were already going to do (eg land a combo)

iDarkWind6/13/2018, 12:08:36 PM13 votes

You're telling me your Electrocute proc takes 25% of the enemy champions HP? That's bullshit right there. You may tell me that Electrocute performs his job very well and that is very popular, and I will agree, now why it is popular? Because it fits many champions that otherwise wouldn't have other decent rune on them. The other runes on Domination tree are literally trash tier to the champions class that are supposed to take them. It isn't because Electrocute is strong that people take it, it's because the other options are simply trash.

Predator has long cooldown, does less damage if I'm not mistaken, needs a channel and is only good to roam and even for that it tells the enemy champions that you're nearby, wich is kinda bad to be honest
Dark Harvest is a troll rune actually. Only junglers can take it to make it work in first place, as a laner you're not going to make the best use of it, and neither you will achieve 150 Souls that easy (wich is needed so that the proc doesn't dissapear after 20 seconds). The only champion I remenber that takes it is Shaco, perhaps Rengar or Kha'Zix could take it too, but is is like I said, you need to powerfarm your jungler to make it worth, and even then Electrocute is a better and safer option (if you fall behind and get counterjungler, you basicly lost the game there)
Hail of Blades, I can't speak too much of, because it's new. But for what I've seen, I don't see many people take it, in fact, I only saw it once in a Vayne. I think that rune makes no sense, and obviously is outclassed by Electrocute by far.

You see, in my opinion Electrocute isn't the problem, in fact, the long cooldown and the fact it's harder to proc than Thunderlord's was, makes it balanced. The concept of the rune also is great, because it rewards players that actually hit their combos or stand near the target time enough to proc by AAs.

Also, what do you mean that every high elo champs seems to be running Electrocute? I may not be that high in terms of rank, but at least I don't see it happening in my games at all.

Total Eclipse6/13/2018, 11:07:38 AM4 votes

Respectfully disagree. Electrocute has a long CD and poor-ish scalings. It also has an insanely long cooldown. I really dont think its that good. For comparison, go check out press the attack, an actually strong keystone. It does the same amount of upfront damage. Then it increases their damage taken by a whopping 12%. And then it goes on a...... 6 second cooldown. True that it takes slightly more to proc it, but it does so much more on a 90% shorter cd. Youre just playing champs that can proc electrocute fairly easily, and its not garbage. There are better keystones in the game tho. I also do think that dmg creep is real, and a big part of it is actually base damage. I remember when 45 per point was considered strong. Thats just average today. glhf.

Ifneth6/13/2018, 5:47:40 PM3 votes

It also creates problems when champs can proc it easily. LeBlanc, for example, can use W-Q-AA and do literally a third of your health in damage at level 2 from 600 range, point-and-click, and then escape almost instantly.

Maybe we should restrict the basic attack condition to melee?

Its All Skillzz6/13/2018, 8:17:39 PM1 votes

I play electrocute ap ezreal all the time, its similar to thundelords, i find klepto to be very underwhelming and the domination tree has much better choices than the support tree.

BobaFlautist6/13/2018, 8:18:17 PM1 votes

At level one, Electrocute does 50 base damage on a 50s CD for landing three consecutive hits, and Scorch does 20 flat damage on a 20s CD for landing one hit.

Comet, if you can consistently hit it, grants you 30 base damage on a 20s CD that gets reduced when you hit them with other abilities.

Electrocute gives you (slightly) better burst for all-ins, at the cost of weaker base stats, but in terms of raw damage it's nowhere near close to the sorcery tree. Poke is incredibly strong.

Noor Sakata6/13/2018, 8:19:16 PM1 votes

Dude , I almost told everyone about this , but they downvote me , assassins mains I mean.

DonateIIo6/13/2018, 8:27:44 PM1 votes

electrocute is broken but that's just how rito and the community like their game.

Ok sure but why6/13/2018, 8:40:16 PM1 votes

And here I thought Zyra did a whole shit-ton of damage on her own, regardless

Automated Riven6/14/2018, 12:41:44 AM1 votes

My issue with the new runes has very little to do with the damage. If that was the problem then the answer would be damage nerfs. My issue is that a fairly sizeable part of the champion pool have runes that they A. Don't want to take but are forced too because it's the only one they can use effectively (Camille / comet) Or B. Simply don't have runes they synergize with in any meaningful way. (Any aoe battle mage or odd ball picks like jhin)

JAYCCCCCCCCCCCCE6/14/2018, 4:07:34 AM1 votes

Almost everything in Domination tree is trash except for it's Keystones (Electrocute, Pred, DarkHarvest, Edge). Just my opinion tho... I always see players taking Conqueror and doing 1k true damage per fight with it mid-late game. Sorcery tree is mostly used for early game. Resolve is good all game. Domination only good in mid game. Inspiration... people take this tree?

JoeMG6/14/2018, 3:56:23 PM1 votes

Since preseason I've felt like electrocute was a little too strong. I also feel like it's just prevalent because it's pretty dependable and most other keystones kind of suck.

Sometimes I wonder what the game would be like without masteries and can't help but think it would be really fun.

Nea1046/13/2018, 6:13:37 PM1 votes

Damage is out of control, and they keep raising it and nerfing defences. Godd job, as we all can see :D

VvVVvV6/13/2018, 7:24:08 PM1 votes

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I play on Electrocute.

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PS: you can only do that to a Xin when he doesnt block it......most the time all you hear is ping ping ping ping while his hp bar barley moves until his ability effect is over.

Unstoppable Monk6/13/2018, 8:09:08 PM1 votes

If anything electrocute is needed for consistency with some champ jungle ganks and I am in doubt with Zyra jungle being viable in more serious games as it was gutted during her rework. Which is interesting since rito has scratched their heads post-rework at how problematic they are in mid/support while making her less viable in jg post RW.