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How I feel about minion block and unit collision.

Yosuke Apperu··103 votes·6,344 views

https://media2.giphy.com/media/ikkPzIyEEhsNW/200.gif Half the time they're my freaking minions blocking me! The worst part is it seems almost malicious.

EDIT: Well I'm glad that so many people are with me on this! :D Just wanted to say the other day I had more terrible minion related experiences! For instance.. when I was trying to walk through a minion wall.. (Im pretty sure that they were minions. I believe i was playing galio in the mid lane as well so it could be that he has a big model idk) But he wouldn't even attempt to move repathing and such... instead he got stuck solid and me trying not to blow my flash(because it was a silly reason to do so) sees a xin coming in for a gank..I tried with all my might to get free... alas.. I had to flash.. but xin... I couldnt escape the xin all because of those minions of malicious intent! Please, I know that this thread is relatively old(five months) but please continue to share your experiences! :) Until then, maybe I'll see you on the rift! ^_^

70 Comments

Jamaree26 votes

How...did they get...the car in that position?

Yosuke Apperu36 votes

The same way that your minions plan your demise.. Very carefully.. Nah it's from Austin Powers lol

Jamaree2 votes

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The same way that your minions plan your demise.. Very carefully.. Nah it's from Austin Powers lol

OH, ok, that explains a lot...weirdly enough.

FarRockBF20 votes

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How...did they get...the car in that position?

Stupid...they put the car first and then the wall. Man, some people...

Jamaree7 votes

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Stupid...they put the car first and then the wall. Man, some people...

Right right, I'm sorry.

Vi and Cupcait1 votes

No you dumbass. They built the car there like that cuz they needed space to bring in the stuff to build the car

Jefftiffy19 votes

Or you know we can finally do the smart thing and remove collision on friendly minions. Why your minions are so against you protecting them I don't know. Or why you helping them is bad IDK either. Maybe they are too dumb to realize you aren't another minion?

Ghiefelstein10 votes

Run through your minion wave and watch how your opponent gets horribly blocked.

Jonxx5 votes

Well, it works both ways.

LeeDark4 votes

Except it also means an even greater emphasis on ability creep. People with mobility already have a significant advantage in many situations, making that advantage greater probably isn't good for the health of the game. Someone with mobility can chase you through your creeps, but you wouldn't be able to chase them through their creeps if you lack mobility.

Basically, imagine if EVERYONE had an Azir wall. Then only people who can get past the wall remain viable.

Vi and Cupcait1 votes

Until you find out you're opponent is the one and only Glorious Emperor Azir

VulcanIsHere7 votes

Get phantom dancer, no matter what. Playing Graves? Phantom Dancer. Playing Sejuani? Phantom Dancer. Playing Orianna? Phantom Dancer. You're welcome.

Ralanr1 votes

Or play Hecarim

Jari1 votes

Or Fizz.

VulcanIsHere1 votes

And build phantom dancer on them.

Jari1 votes

Nobody messes with my item 3046 Fizz power. Do you even lift?

G1Radiobot1 votes

Or Kassadin

LoLKiru15 votes

I genuinely have to ask, WHY does unit collision even exist? What does it add to the game?

ArbiterOfTruth2 votes

It would mean Fizz would get a new passive and they'd have to give Phantom Dancer something unique.

FantasySniper1 votes

When you can stick it inside of people, you have potentially much greater stick power, so it's mostly to balance melees by keeping them at a set distance and forcing them to walk around waves.

Imagine how hard it would be to escape your average Udyr if you couldn't run behind your own minions and force him to walk around them as they aggro'ed.

Champion Skin1 votes

Imagine how hard it would be to escape your average Udyr if you couldn't run behind your own minions and force him to walk around them as they aggro'ed

You do know that Udyr can just run through the minion wave as I would assume he would use his E (bear stance) while chasing you and the active effect of bear stances enables Udyr to ignore unit collision... so yeah...

FantasySniper1 votes

It only lasts for 2-3 seconds (often not fully upgraded until at least Lv 11), while the base CD is 6, so it's still a valid strategy.

Teridax684 votes

Unit collision is, or at least was, a major barrier to melee lane bullies like Darius and Garen, so that they wouldn't be able to just rush you directly and auto-win every trade. However, now that counterplay's been made a lot more explicit and that unit collision's been devalued by a ton of different effects (dashes, mainly, but also many different unit collision removal effects that are now pretty much a staple on every melee champion without a dash), I don't really see what the mechanic contributes.

Biff Manly16 votes

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I genuinely have to ask, WHY does unit collision even exist? What does it add to the game?

To make picking Fizz an even bigger "fuck you" to the enemy team.

Tridem1 votes

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To make picking Fizz an even bigger "fuck you" to the enemy team.

I main Fizz :(. But suprisingly enough im not a huge jerk or anything. Sure im a jerk sometimes but im not like what alot of people say fizz people are. In fact alot of people that play fizz are not bug"fu** yous" they are pretty nice. But yeah the unit collision seems it was built for fizzs passive.

Anidan2 votes

As a fellow Fizz main, you don't need to point out that you're not a jerk. Let your normal conversation show that. Otherwise it makes you seem kinda self-conscious about your main, which you should never be. There are mains of literally every champion in this game (and according to the boards, there are a ton of cancerous champions, not just Fizz), so don't worry about the stereotypes if they don't affect you.

Though, after having played Fizz and played against him plenty of times, let me tell you: he does feel like a big "fuck you." He's a mostly balanced "Fuck you" but a "Fuck you" nonetheless.

Cloud Potato5 votes

Every time someone brings up minion block I remember this

Xenoid1 votes

Yeah, but can be even worse, when "walk around minion" algorithm going into loop and you try to walk around from both sides indefinitely and whoever chasing you can catch you and finish.

P.S.: I got stuck like Darius multiple times.

Sinlaire1 votes

this every time i miss one of my axes and my own creep wave forms a wall to keep me from getting it.

item 3070 Draven item 3070

Yosuke Apperu1 votes

They're all like.. "Hey DRAVENNNNN ... I don't care that catching axes is your thing... my thing is screwing you over huehue"

chipndip14 votes

One time I got stuck so bad I literally couldn't move out of the minions. It was early game, so I didn't get killed, but I took a hit...-_-

SurrealJC1 votes

it only takes 2 minions to trap u between ur turret and the wall.

Your team is like "why didn't u retreat with us?"

Valderis Vandala2 votes

They are a bunch of little bastards alright, can't keep your eyes off of them or they'll screw you over. XD

The Ecdysiast2 votes

But the champs that have passive movement through units have never been overpowered. Kassadin Fizz Oh wait...

BobbyCarHaterX1 votes

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But the champs that have passive movement through units have never been overpowered. Kassadin Fizz Oh wait...

you forgot le Hecarim

Xienwolf2 votes

I have seen many long range skillshot champions use minion collision to their advantage. Especially in ARAM, if you see the enemy team is to one side, and a wave is on the way... you have a free shot with your line-nuke, because they will be unable to move out of the way.

So, there is gameplay use to them.

And of course I love using Janna, because knowing I am immune to collision lets me escape when being chased very often.

I do however hate ADCs, because phantom dancer is a thing. I wish there was an AP equivalent, but AP lose out on many movement enhancing passives.

Qsario2 votes

I've long thought that pretty silly, especially when big Chogath is tiptoeing around enemy minions.

Yosuke Apperu1 votes

That's because secretly they're playing gentleman cho.. and he's all like "excuse me Mr. cannon.. pardon me ms. caster... please part the great wall of melee minions gentleman cho coming through" Maybe the other champs need to learn to be more courteous and friendly like Chogath . It is funny though because he seems to have no problem getting around them.

Häßlich2 votes

This is why there's unit collision...

Just Blame Jenny2 votes

What bothers me most is when I'm csing, and a minion sidesteps just in time to prevent me from getting in range of a minion I need to kill.

Yosuke Apperu1 votes

Yes! and then it causes a chain reaction of losing farm!? XD

AMetroidEatsU1 votes

If there is minion block there should be champion block!

I have been killed a number of times because a melee stacked atop me and I could not use any of my skill shot abilities because they start in front of the champ, not from the center. Also it would make tank blocking a thing.

OyddAWqJ5r4 votes

There is a champion block. Most champions aside from a few like Fizz and Hecarim have a space that they occupy and blocks other units from passing through it via regular movement.

SurrealJC1 votes

Its pretty rare to see a team actually stand in a formation to create a wall or trap the enemy in a corner. Flash OP

SurrealJC1 votes

yaaa ive trapped people against a wall with master YI before... and VI. My question is... if Janna can walk through units... can units walk through Janna?

OyddAWqJ5r1 votes

No. It's a one way thing. Units can't move through Janna but she can go through them.

Basically the other unit will spazz out while Janna ghosts through them. Try it with any champion that ignores collision or use summoner 6

Lowvyr1 votes

How the fuck did they get the car there?

RainofBlackTears1 votes

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Stupid...they put the car first and then the wall. Man, some people...

Captain Aishi1 votes

I just had a game today where I got creepblocked for four seconds by ONE SINGLE CASTER MINION! my champion would just walk back and forth behind the minion instead of just picking a freaking direction and going there! ugh...

Yosuke Apperu1 votes

I know the feeling! I've even had it to where my champ just turns around for no reason and repaths.

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