Now gives 35 AD, but it builds out of components that give a total of 40 AD (Jaurim's Fist gives 15, Pickaxe gives 25). How does that make sense? You literally upgrade it to lose AD. I suggest Riot just removes the Pickaxe from the recipe and makes the new build path be Jaurim's Fist, Ruby Crystal, Long Sword. This would give a total of 25 AD, which as you can tell is, unlike 40 AD, less than 35 AD. Thoughts?
Deep Terror Nami1 votesNot having all the functionality of its build parts isn't unique to this. 
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Not having all the functionality of its build parts isn't unique to this.
fair enough. avarice blade has been removed though, and 5 AD is a stat as opposed to a passive. if there are other items that are still inconsistent like this, then Riot should fix those as well. i don't know of any on the PBE as of yet, but I might just not be paying close enough attention.
Deep Terror Nami3 votesMallet updated to 40 AD in the new PBE update btw.
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Mallet updated to 40 AD in the new PBE update btw.
i saw and I'm really happy about it! They also lowered the initial gold-efficiency of Jaurim's Fist but that's not a big issue. Thanks for notifying me
ZT Xperimentor1 votesNot to mention it lost over half it's bonus health but had its price increased.
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Not to mention it lost over half it's bonus health but had its price increased.
it lost 50 health but gained 10 AD,and it's cost was lowered by 200
ZT Xperimentor1 votesI used to have 700hp, but for a couple patches in pbe it had 500, I see it got slightly buffed since the patch this morning. Either way, still a nerf.
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I used to have 700hp, but for a couple patches in pbe it had 500, I see it got slightly buffed since the patch this morning. Either way, still a nerf.
a 10% increase in gold-efficiency is in no way whatsoever a nerf. it lost 50 hp, got 10 ad, and had a huge increase in gold efficiency. more damage + gold efficiency but slightly less health is not a nerf
ZT Xperimentor1 votesLess health is a nerf, regardless of damage.
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Less health is a nerf, regardless of damage.
do you even math? downvoting me doesn't change the fact that it is a buff, and a pretty significant one at that. i honestly hope for your own sake that you're just trolling me, because if you're being serious here...
ZT Xperimentor1 votesTrading defense for damage will result in neither, simple as that.
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Trading defense for damage will result in neither, simple as that.
look at the gold efficiency and price decrease while the stats stay nearly the same and tell me again that it's a nerf
ZT Xperimentor1 votesYou repeatedly claim it's efficient, but refuse to compare it to other health & damage items to prove it. Sounds like you're trying to convince yourself.
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You repeatedly claim it's efficient, but refuse to compare it to other health & damage items to prove it. Sounds like you're trying to convince yourself.
other health and ad items are the black cleaver and sterak's gage. the black cleaver is about 93% gold efficient (if i rememeber right), while sterak's gage gold efficiency depends entirely on the base ad of the item's owner. frozen mallet at around 100% gold efficient, better than the black cleaver. please, continue telling me i'm wrong
ZT Xperimentor1 votesThrowing numbers around without any reference point is useless. It's like saying Jamaicans are 5% taller than Asians. Doesn't make any sense, unless you already know how tall one or the other is. It also appears like your making up statistics since you're dodging any resource quoting. So far you've only quoted me, which shows you're only competent with vague insults. Don't bother wasting my time.
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Throwing numbers around without any reference point is useless. It's like saying Jamaicans are 5% taller than Asians. Doesn't make any sense, unless you already know how tall one or the other is. It also appears like your making up statistics since you're dodging any resource quoting. So far you've only quoted me, which shows you're only competent with vague insults. Don't bother wasting my time.
i couldn't find the statistics on lol wiki, so i calculated the gold values myself. you're welcome. i can calculate them again right here, right now, if you don't believe me.
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You repeatedly claim it's efficient, but refuse to compare it to other health & damage items to prove it. Sounds like you're trying to convince yourself.
i compared it to health and damage items like you asked. it is not like comparing asians and jamaicans, and saying that one group is 5% taller than another group is still relevant.
what more do you want from me? honestly, if i've somehow not given you enough information, please tell me, because i've given you every bit of information you wanted to know, but you just keep saying i'm wrong without justifying it. "less health means a nerf" even though it has more ad and much better gold efficiency and build path is not a valid reason. if anyone is wasting anyone's time, it's you wasting my time. seriously just read what the messages you send
thumbnail91 votesIt doesn't matter, it will never be built now that its cost is back up to 3,100k. Adding 5 ad isn't going to suddenly make it good.
Gnart Even Close1 votesIt doesn't matter, it will never be built now that its cost is back up to 3,100k. Adding 5 ad isn't going to suddenly make it good.
It's still 101% gold efficient, which is a huge increase from its previous 90% gold efficiency.
thumbnail91 votesIt's still 101% gold efficient, which is a huge increase from its previous 90% gold efficiency.
Yes but its still not slot efficient on anyone but Gnar and that's how it is always going to be. With the 2.8k price point its actually worth the purchase slot. It becomes an item that doesn't result in the rest of your build power spikes being in garbo land the rest of the game. Something tells me it went back up in price because of the abuse case with it and hurricane.