What IS Xin Zhao at this point?

Jbels··1 votes·1,126 views

I've been trying to figure out what Xin Zhao is for a bit. I'm conflicted between Juggernaut and Bruiser. I know that he's way too mobile and CC heavy for the Juggernaut title, but at the same time he does so much damage for a champion that builds two damage items and then tanks up. What are your thoughts on it?

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Romans VI XXIII1 votes

ASSASSIN!

Jbels1 votes

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ASSASSIN!

You think so? I never remembered Xin being able to burst people quite that fast o-o

Pasta Help Desk1 votes

Xin once upon a time used to be more op and broke than riven or yasuo or lee sin combined, sadly that was a long long time ago.

Hello I am Bird1 votes

Bruiser for sure.

But I just go full ad devourer jg and fuck people up with on hit procs.

item 3930 item 3153 item 3087 item 3074 item 3072 item 3094 OP as hell

Jbels1 votes

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Bruiser for sure.

But I just go full ad devourer jg and fuck people up with on hit procs.

item 3930 item 3153 item 3087 item 3074 item 3072 item 3094 OP as hell

That looks like an interesting build, but I thought RFC and Shiv didn't stack anymore?

Hello I am Bird1 votes

They do, it just happens to be that they cost more money :p

Jbels1 votes

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They do, it just happens to be that they cost more money :p

No, I mean the damage procs from RFC and Statik Shiv literally don't stack anymore, it only goes with the proc that will do the most damage out of the two

Shonjl1 votes

They don't stack, but that doesn't change they are very good stats. I still get them both over switching one for Phantom Dancers since slightly less AS for better MS is worth it to me.

Hello I am Bird1 votes

Huh. The more you know.

Ryùuzaki1 votes

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Bruiser for sure.

But I just go full ad devourer jg and fuck people up with on hit procs.

item 3930 item 3153 item 3087 item 3074 item 3072 item 3094 OP as hell

no tanky items ? i love building spirit visage on xin as it increases the healing from his w and the lifesteal from botrk

DeathBurst1 votes

This is probably just temporary, but I see no reason to not abuse item 3124 and item 3146 in the current patch. Try them instead of Ravenous and Statik.

You get more survivability through Gunblade+the AP scaling of you on-hit heal, more burst through the AP scaling on E, and Guinsoo has AoE on-hit just like Ravenous, but better stats, once it's stacked.

Shonjl1 votes

Usually it depends on where he is going. I only ever see Xin as jungle and rarely top. If he is Jng he is pure assassin, I never see them build defensive so burst damage but even a support could burst him if he doesn't kill in his combo. Top he just does a standard bruiser build.

Jbels1 votes

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Usually it depends on where he is going. I only ever see Xin as jungle and rarely top. If he is Jng he is pure assassin, I never see them build defensive so burst damage but even a support could burst him if he doesn't kill in his combo. Top he just does a standard bruiser build.

So then he IS an assassin?

DeathBurst1 votes

tl;dr: Xin is a diver. He has a good gap closer, can isolate his target and kill it pretty fast.

long answer: Melee "Fighter" champions can be in different categories, sorted from least :

  • Tank: little damage (or AoE slow DPS), lots of CC/utility. Almost never build damage item. (Sion, Rammus, Amumu, ...)
  • Juggernaut: high damage, very little mobility/CC. Usually build 1-2 damage items. (Garen, Darius, Nasus, ...)
  • Brawlers/Bruisers: average in all respects. The default category for those that don't really fit elsewhere, with too much utility/CC to be Juggernaut, but not enough potential to kill a priority target to be Diver. (Trundle, Volibear, Olaf, Udyr, maybe Shyvana)
  • Diver: good mobility, at least to close the gap if not to escape, and good target selection. Medium-to-high damage. Basically a toned-down assassin, a bit less bursty, but more tanky. Usually build 2-3 damage items to be able to kill their target, and the rest is tankyness to survive after diving. (Irelia, Vi, Aatrox, Wukong...)
  • Carry: build mostly damage and rely on killing their enemy first/outplaying him to survive (Fiora, Yasuo, Yi, Tryndamere, Riven, ...)

Technically, most Assassins are melee too, and there can be some overlap between Divers/Carries and Assassins. But Assassins are generally considered their own category, and not part of the Fighter group.

There are champs who don't fit these categories exactly, of course. For instance, Mundo builds like a Tank/Juggernaut, but he has almost no CC/utility (so not a Tank) and a very powerful ranged poke (so not a Juggernaut). Renekton has a lot of mobility, a single target stun and a bit of burst (could be a Diver) but also good tankyness and AoE damage (more typical of Bruisers).

Fitz n The Fool1 votes

He is just like Jax but with a different build path. Same category though.

Rebonack1 votes

Tanky CCing mobile melee guy. He's a dive-fighter.

Same deal as Panth, Jax, and Irelia.

Troy2426211 votes

Definitely a bruiser. CAN go full damage if ahead, CAN go full tank and use CC to peel if behind, typically likes to ride the line between the two. Can be a protector or diver. Strong presence early, good fallback pattern late. Bruiser-esque for sure.

Abyssphere1 votes

Riot would call him a "diving fighter" like Irelia and Aatrox. He's mobile and jumps right onto people. He's not quite as tanky as the immobile dudes either.

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