Is it just me or is this ap item pass very unsatisfactory

koshkyra·Feb 22, 2018·12 votes·1,076 views

I was really hyped for it but now i feel like the only ap item that actually benefitted was and eveything else is either too expensive or not worth buying

At least isnt completely shit anymore

Edit: also im going oom every 15 seconds

28 Comments

Ahri BakaFeb 23, 20188 votes

I thought everything would be better but , I guess no They completely ruined Morello I can't get satisfied playing mages They even nerfed the Ap on void staff and on the new item that looks like frostqueen

PeritheusFeb 22, 20186 votes

Playing ap SUCKS now, if you aren't a broken spammable abuser cc champ of these 2 items item 3151 item 3907 you are legit worthless to the team, 2 Whole item 1058 required to build item 3089 , that 5% ap boost means LIttle to nothing in this fast paced short game where they nerfed the itemization costs ap, and niches that made the item stand out, all these ap item feels so damn subpar. It's just better to get urself a item 3031 item 3087 oh wait in b4 they make cost 3 item 1038 500g off. Rylais is god tier when combined with old liandryies on those dot mages with no hard cc,spammable slows of their own. 10 ap, are you joking they just slapped if off void staff and put it on rylais so no.

Malix FarwinFeb 22, 20184 votes

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Playing ap SUCKS now, if you aren't a broken spammable abuser cc champ of these 2 items you are legit worthless to the team, 2 Whole required to build , that 5% ap boost means LIttle to nothing in this fast paced short game where they nerfed the itemization costs ap, and niches that made the item stand out, all these ap item feels so damn subpar. It's just better to get urself a oh wait in b4 they make cost 3 500g off. Rylais is god tier when combined with old liandryies on those dot mages with no hard cc,spammable slows of their own. 10 ap, are you joking they just slapped if off void staff and put it on rylais so no.

It hasn't felt good to play AP in a while.

Rico NastyFeb 23, 20185 votes

Just played Syndra and went oom at 33 minutes.. 33 MINUTES!!!! Plus these new items don't give enough AP. Completely underwhelming as a mage main.

Lucian WaifuFeb 23, 20181 votes

Because you built wrong. Syndra clearly wants the new Archangel staff for the large ap it will give along with the new luden's for burst, not GLP when Syndra already has a good long range slow and a stun in her kit so she doesn't need more cc. In total that will give you 2,000 more ap and ap regen from tear passive so you will not oom at 33 minutes.

MilaichigoMar 20, 2018

I build Archangel, but I can point 2 problems with it: 1) it takes ages to stack, so you still go oom in lane, because you sacrifice AP for tear, so the lack of AP means you need more q's to kill minions, hence you need to use more of your AA - thus it's more difficult to clear the waves; 2) it is a very slow build - you don't have damage in the first 15/20 minutes of the game. Syndra is not necessarily a late game champ, and relies a lot on her mid game. This is more of a late game build, and it does alrightish versus certain champsions, but if they have a pure late game champ, e.g. Anivia or Kassadin, she loses her mid-game advantage, and still isn't as strong in the late game as they are. Overall, unless you can get the jungler to gank mid in the right time, if they have late game champs, it's better to build Luden's.

BlåbæretFeb 23, 20185 votes

The update did nothing. Might even have made things worse.

RexxieeFeb 23, 20185 votes

Wtf lol.

This was a gigantic buff for ap champs.

AbibyamaFeb 23, 20183 votes

You’re talking to mages players here

SwiftKitten88Feb 23, 20183 votes

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Wtf lol.

This was a gigantic buff for ap champs.

ikr... 4 out of the 5 champs i main are ap.. this is a MASSIVE buff, idk wtf is wrong with people.

FlowDartXFeb 23, 20183 votes

I think its the fact that even the components are way too expensive and it makes it hard to wave clear.

BârdFeb 23, 20182 votes

item 3151 is probably too strong. item 3165 is now a situational item to counter healers, as it probably should remain. item 3116 item 3070 are viable options again. item 3285 item 3003 are fine choices for 20% CDR items, but I'm not sold on item 3030 . item 3135 isn't as good, but it's still good. Tanks should last longer. Spellbinder is pretty nice. A 100 AP boost plus MS is always gonna be appreciated. Twin Shadows is likely to remain unpopular, but it's really nice.

Next patch, Shurelyas is going to be great.

SagaxwikiFeb 23, 20181 votes

item 3030 is really situational still. For champions that you can use hard to land follow up cc it is still super good though (e.g. Anivia AurelionSol etc.)

BârdFeb 23, 20185 votes

Eh, A. Sol used to love it, but now that it doesn't have HP or eternity, what's the point?

VekknaFeb 23, 20181 votes

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Next patch, Shurelyas is going to be great.

Why do you say this? Looking at it on the PBE, I honestly can't think of a single reason for that item to exist.

ModKnightsKemplarFeb 23, 20182 votes

Kinda quick to decide that, don't you think?

RoA with manaflow band pretty much makes mana issues on Swain easy to manage. Makes me kind of skeptical that other mages can't figure it out, since they'll have more mana and better waveclear early on.

Don't forget that this is an indirect buff to manaflow band for mages, since they'll have more mana now.

Also item 3070 exists. I have a hard time believing that anyone running tear is running out of mana faster than they did with Morello's. If you want the mana, there's an item for that.

koshkyraFeb 23, 20182 votes

Ys, thats true, but only like 20% of mages can viably take tear as a first item.

You're giving up 750 gold early game which is like a good 12-15% of your early game power ( item 1056 item 1001 or item 1052 is much more valuable to a minute 5 mage and costs slightly less than a tear anyway) which puts you at a disadvantage, and losing lane/early game is basically losing the game in this current meta.

Meep ManFeb 23, 20182 votes

From my own interactions with the item pass, nothing seems bad.

swaningtonFeb 23, 20182 votes

I am very unsatisfied. The new items I've tried dont really feel like they have any effect. Like I just sunk 3000 gold into an item and nothing changed.

Bazooka BladeFeb 23, 20181 votes

nope rumble took a big nerf with this change

RootloFeb 23, 20183 votes

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nope rumble took a big nerf with this change

No, with Ult and Lyandires you shred everyone lol.

Bazooka BladeFeb 23, 20182 votes

Q 1068 over 3 s e 1258 over 2 s r 2735 over 4 s avg dmg 1203 auto 241 over 4 sec = 3770 dmg before

Q 1150 e 1296 r 1364 auto ** =4051 dmg

and thats being modest giving him full dmg for q and e being hit in fight

TertiaryToastFeb 23, 20181 votes

Last night I played a game with Malzahar , started item 3003 and I don't think I went oom once. I had some trouble the game before starting item 3285 on , but that was a bad game anyways. At end game with I had around 860 AP with item 3040 item 3151 item 3116 item 3135 item 3089 . The new items felt good that game.

Lucian WaifuFeb 23, 20181 votes

The ap item changes were great for a lot of ap champs. Not only those who use Liandry's. One of my mains, Ziggs, is not much better because he doesn't have to build Liandry's because of how broken it had become. He can build Archangel Staff and Luden's and become better than he was before from the ap bonuses, be able to constantly poke without blue late game, and have a shield on top of Zhonya's for protection. The Ap itemization has so far been fabulous, this is coming from a ap mid main.

Leaf on BushFeb 23, 20181 votes

What do you think about item 3003 .

You get 20% cdr on this now... isn't that extremely convenient?

koshkyraFeb 23, 20182 votes

Yes, that change was good. Only problem is only like 20-25% of mages can viably build that item however.

Leaf on BushFeb 23, 20181 votes

item 3003 item 3285 item 3030 these items basically took old morellos place as mage core items with cdr and mana.

So if you run oom pick one with stronger mana regen/ more mana. For mana sustain item 3003 is probably the best or almost your only option right now to really replace the mana regen of old morello. You lose Grievous Wounds on your first item, but honestly the staff is probably still a buff. It used to be more of niche item but with the 20% cdr it's probably going to be very popular.

Just forget your old build path. xD

Or alternatively there is item 3027 if you also need survivability.

VoraciousXFeb 23, 20181 votes

Get new Ludens. It's 100% a mage item now(will miss you Ludens ;-; ) Tear has more mana. Morellonomicon has changed into an AP assassin item I feel like. The problem is you guys are building like you used to and not using the new items in the way they're meant to be used. Ludens/Tear/RoA are your first item rushes if you use mana, not Morellonomicon.