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FREE RUNES FOR EVERYONE! (issue)

The Cane Master··12 votes·1,788 views
Just got a survey from Riot asking my opinion on free runes. * /r/leagueoflegends

> Just got a survey from Riot asking my opinion on free runes. > > http://imgur.com/DBBbiaq > "Next we'd like you to ask you some questions about the Runes system. > For the purposes of this exercise we'd like you to imagine that tomorrow, the Runes system was replaced with a system which required NO IP to use. > Similar to the current Runes system--this system would allow you to make choices which impact your in-game performance, however, players would be able to make these choices without spending IP (as you must currently do with Runes)--and they would be able to choose among the total number of options (unlike the current system, where you can only choose among the Runes that you have purchased) when deciding what strengths and weaknesses to imbue champions with. > While players would not be refunded for the IP already spent on Runes and Rune pages, going forward, the new version of Runes would be freely accessible to all players."

Yes, 19 rune pages and almost all runes bought here, so that's like 200k IP spent on that, and now everyone's gonna have it, without even compensating me. Nice one Riot, I thought you couldn't make me disagree with your policy for the first time, and so much that it makes me quit the game, but you are definitely gonna do it with this one.

56 Comments

thekingofnido6 votes

so basically your upset because you could have used that 2000 ip to buy shard that didn't even exist when you spent the 2000 ip? i think you're just complaining over a small issue when in the big picture this change will make the game better for every player who hasn't unlocked all the champions, or runes, or even anyone who wants to buy shards. you will never have to spend ip on runes again? that seems like a win to me in the long run. despite the amount of ip i have already spent on runes.

The Cane Master2 votes

I'm not complaining about everyone getting free runes. I just want to get compensated for what I spent for playing this game for four years, since runes and rune pages are what I spend most of my IP on. Excluding champions, this would seem like Riot's saying that there were no IP gains for players prior to this change.

Pierce The Veal3 votes

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I'm not complaining about everyone getting free runes. I just want to get compensated for what I spent for playing this game for four years, since runes and rune pages are what I spend most of my IP on. Excluding champions, this would seem like Riot's saying that there were no IP gains for players prior to this change.

I pretty much spent 70% of my ip on Runes and Runepages, and I better get some compensation or I'm utterly done with this game.

Pierce The Veal4 votes

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so basically your upset because you could have used that 2000 ip to buy shard that didn't even exist when you spent the 2000 ip? i think you're just complaining over a small issue when in the big picture this change will make the game better for every player who hasn't unlocked all the champions, or runes, or even anyone who wants to buy shards. you will never have to spend ip on runes again? that seems like a win to me in the long run. despite the amount of ip i have already spent on runes.

It's honestly not fair to the players who bought close to 20 runepages and many many runes. It's a step in the right direction for new players, while kicking old players in the balls.

The Cane Master1 votes

Thanks man, rocking that S3 victorius ward skin and Elise skin! <3

Pierce The Veal1 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Cane Master,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=eFwtvwYP,comment-id=000200010000,timestamp=2016-07-05T22:51:53.533+0000)

Thanks man, rocking that S3 victorius ward skin and Elise skin! <3

Nice. I have the ward skin, but I unfortunately stopped at silver 1 in season 3 because life got real: college and classes got dense, and I learned the horror of taking three lab classes at once.

Quepha1 votes

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It's honestly not fair to the players who bought close to 20 runepages and many many runes. It's a step in the right direction for new players, while kicking old players in the balls.

It's not really like kicking them in the balls when they don't lose anything.

Pierce The Veal4 votes

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It's not really like kicking them in the balls when they don't lose anything.

Yeah I mean I didn't farm all that IP over the years because I wanted to keep and use it on something useful to me or anything.

I mean, I really wouldn't be bothered if I was ripped off and then told everyone else is getting what I got for free. Imagine how I feel when people tell me to feel happy for other olayers when pretty much 70% of the time I spent on this game was just sort of ripped up and thrown away.

Quepha2 votes

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Yeah I mean I didn't farm all that IP over the years because I wanted to keep and use it on something useful to me or anything.

I mean, I really wouldn't be bothered if I was ripped off and then told everyone else is getting what I got for free. Imagine how I feel when people tell me to feel happy for other olayers when pretty much 70% of the time I spent on this game was just sort of ripped up and thrown away.

That's more like you got kicked in the balls two years ago and then Riot were to say "hey we're thinking about putting a stop to this ball kicking policy because players don't really like getting kicked in the balls" and then you butt in and go "whoa whoa whoa, I got kicked in the balls and I hated it. Your options are to either pay me to shut up about your ball kicking policy or just keep kicking players in the balls!"

Vaydrin2 votes

How about us old players just get our ip back and Runes now cost 75 tier 3 / 50 tier 2 / 25 tier 1

BAM PROBLEM SOLVED

DeathBurst1 votes

You're late to the party, mate. Tier1 doesn't exist anymore, and "Tier2" is only 1 IP (that is, virtually free).

bleufromage1 votes

I have been playing for 3.5 years now and i dont own all of the champions but I do own a lot of runes. It would piss me off if I spent all that ip on runes for no reason and there are still champs I am unable to play.

thekingofnido5 votes

I think this is a great idea. this is a big reason many people don't get into the game. requiring you to play to lvl 30 and then also play 30+ games just to have enough ip to buy 1 full rune page is just ridiculous. and why should you be compensated??? because you spent ip which you earn in game. you didn't spend any real money. at most i could see them refunding partial ip for all the rune purchased.

The Cane Master3 votes

I could have spent it to buy champions. Now there are even mysterious hextech shards that are purchasable by IP. Of course I could allocate 200k IP into something like that.

ValyrianBlade4 votes

I'm so against this.

Not refunding rune pages or runes would be absurd. I own like 50 champions, but I own 10 rune pages and a good number of runes. I've probably spent 50-80K IP on runes and rune pages. I could own a LOT more champions with that IP.

I think this kind of change would actually make me quit. It's unnecessary and absurd. Refund 50% and I'd be perfectly cool with it - no different than when they put on permanent 50% discounts for runes I've already bought. Making them free and giving no compensation though? I'd be done.

The Cane Master2 votes

Exactly, finally someone that has the same feelings as me. Excluding champions bought, It'd be like Riot saying: ,,All IP gains so far have been for temporary, now we give everything to everyone, without compensating shit''.

Pierce The Veal3 votes

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I'm so against this.

Not refunding rune pages or runes would be absurd. I own like 50 champions, but I own 10 rune pages and a good number of runes. I've probably spent 50-80K IP on runes and rune pages. I could own a LOT more champions with that IP.

I think this kind of change would actually make me quit. It's unnecessary and absurd. Refund 50% and I'd be perfectly cool with it - no different than when they put on permanent 50% discounts for runes I've already bought. Making them free and giving no compensation though? I'd be done.

No. I better get 100% of what I spent on runes or I'm done. Optimizing runes was my entire fun, while other people who started around my time and played just as much as me have almost all the champions, I merely have a little over half of the champions, and 11 runepages, but enough runes to have 20 different full runepages.

To say that I shouldn't recieve a refund is bullshit. To say that 50% is ok is also bullcrap, because I didn't purchase these while on sale, I spent my time (time is money!) farming these things instead of champions.

Surr20plz4 votes

I'm fine with them doing this...BUT THEY BETTER REFUND ALL THAT IP, OR GIVE US SOMETHING!

That was a lot of grinding.

Wild Wes2 votes

Uh... Perhaps don't spend 200k IP on something that changes the game slightly...?

The Cane Master2 votes

If it was slightly, why this change in the first place? Especially since it requires 200k + IP for all competitive runes and 20 rune pages.

Pierce The Veal2 votes

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Uh... Perhaps don't spend 200k IP on something that changes the game slightly...?

Having a few thousand gold worth of stats at the beginning of the game for free is a slight change?

Wild Wes1 votes

Having ALL the runes isn't going to improve your gameplay by very much. I can't remember how much simple AD and AP rune pages cost, but they're nothing close to 200k. You don't need to have ALL the runes in order to do well in League of Legends, because you're not able to use all the runes at once.

The Cane Master2 votes

You need all runes, so that you could go for flat/scaling/hybrid builds for each champion you play. I mostly play 2 champions and I have 6-7 rune pages I constantly switch between each game/opponent. You also forgot that you cannot replace any of your rune pages during champion selection? You need to pre set a maximum of 20 combinations of runes, and then select the champions that work with those best for each game.

One rune page costs 6300 IP, 20 of those would be 20k+ only. One Quintessence costs 6300 IP, 3 of those would be 20k+. For each Quintessence times three, we get to 100k so far. All competitive tier 3 marks, seals and glyphs must be worth at least 100k, so we got to 200k pretty fast, didn't we?

Wild Wes1 votes

So you're saying that everyone with only 2 rune pages is at a big disadvantage? Smart.

The Cane Master1 votes

I'm not saying they are at big disadvantage, I am saying it's not optimal in each and every matchup.

Wild Wes1 votes

It's "optimal". So unless you're playing ranked in the big leagues like diamond or something where you're doing EVERYTHING you can to win, it doesn't matter as much. Of course it's a sad thing you spent all your IP and stuff on runes, but shit happens bro.

Pierce The Veal2 votes

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Having ALL the runes isn't going to improve your gameplay by very much. I can't remember how much simple AD and AP rune pages cost, but they're nothing close to 200k. You don't need to have ALL the runes in order to do well in League of Legends, because you're not able to use all the runes at once.

Having a proper runepage can cost up to 19k ip. That's 3 6300 champions. Now say you have 10 completely different runepages, that's around 200k ip

Wild Wes1 votes

But you don't need 10 completely different runepages. You probably need them in the LCS, but if you're simply playing a game below challenger, you're set with only AD and AP rune pages.

Pierce The Veal1 votes

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But you don't need 10 completely different runepages. You probably need them in the LCS, but if you're simply playing a game below challenger, you're set with only AD and AP rune pages.

So I should get punished for that? While everyone else is enjoying the ~50 champions they could have purchased with the IP and RP I spent on runepages and runes, I need to sit here and just feel good for everyone else when 70% of the time and a reasonable amount of the money I spent on the game are made obsolete. Everyone else gets to have their cake and eat it too (they get to have champions and skins AND runepages), and I neither get to have my cake and I can't eat it too (I don't get to have all the champions and skins I could have had, and furthermore, I also lose any advantage I invested in in terms of runes).

Look, I think this is a great step in the right direction, but Riot honestly needs to care a bit more about customer loyalty. Someone who went to the effort of stacking runes and runepages didn't do it because they didn't want the champions. And you know what? You do need more than 2 runepages. Attack speed, attack damage, ability power, hybrid pen, and many other runepages are necessary/optimal for many champions.

Wild Wes1 votes

You're not getting punished. Other people are getting rewarded. That's not the same as you being punished. Also, NO runes are NECESSARY. Of course they have advantages, but even having 0 runes will change the outcome of the game slightly, for that's like 15 AP or 11 AD (not exactly sure).

Pierce The Veal1 votes

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You're not getting punished. Other people are getting rewarded. That's not the same as you being punished. Also, NO runes are NECESSARY. Of course they have advantages, but even having 0 runes will change the outcome of the game slightly, for that's like 15 AP or 11 AD (not exactly sure).

A full runepage could be optimized to give as much as 50 AD at 18, maybe like 30 at level one or something if you want that instead. 50+ AP at 18, or 36 AP at level 1.

If I optimized, I could get say, MS quints, +4.5% MS, Armorpen marks, +18 armorpen, MR and armor per level glyphs and seals. +27 MR, +27 Armor. That's a good 2000 gold value minimum, not to mention how hard it is to get extra movement speed or Armorpen beyond a certain point.

How about this? You work for your money, and you work hard for it, and then they hand out the same money free to everyone else. Guess what, you just wasted your life for no reason. In short, you were punished by having your efforts be made a waste.

Wild Wes1 votes

I get that bro. You worked for it, and now they're giving it out for free. All I'm saying is that you could've just not spent that much IP on runes.

Pierce The Veal1 votes

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I get that bro. You worked for it, and now they're giving it out for free. All I'm saying is that you could've just not spent that much IP on runes.

Yeah. Well, I could've not spent that much, but that was part of the fun of the game for me. Theory building runepages and playstyles for champions I liked was actually what kept me in this game (I assure you not the collecting of ip for those theory builds, that was the tedious part). Otherwise I too would have just stocked up on champions.

But now it just feels like Riot is trying to sucker punch me for playing their game the way I enjoy it. I feel like they've been doing that for a long time.

thekingofnido2 votes

i get what your saying but i still think it would be better for the community as a whole even tho it would be kinda upsetting for you.

The Cane Master2 votes

I support free runes, I never liked winning because of unfair advantage. To be honest I've reached mid plat elo for the 4th consecutive season, adequate runes is what I'm used to for years now. I would only like a compensation for the IP spend on it, for me and every other LoL veteran out there.

SwiftKitten882 votes

i support free runes..

Quepha2 votes

Was it fun buying all those runes and rune pages? Will it make you happy to know that other players have to deal with all that?

Pierce The Veal4 votes

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Was it fun buying all those runes and rune pages? Will it make you happy to know that other players have to deal with all that?

Will it make me happy knowing I worked that hard to get all those runepages and runes only to be told "haha, everyone gets what you worked for for free."

I also spent RP on 4 runepages, REAL money. What am I supposed to do just laugh it off?

Quepha2 votes

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Will it make me happy knowing I worked that hard to get all those runepages and runes only to be told "haha, everyone gets what you worked for for free."

I also spent RP on 4 runepages, REAL money. What am I supposed to do just laugh it off?

You did get to use those pages for actual years of your life during a long period of time where players could not acquire those things without working for it. You've easily already gotten your money's worth out of it.

The Cane Master2 votes

Some of us had to pay for it with our hours on end playing the game for years (IP) or pay real money (RP) for runes and runepages. Giving out something that worth for free to everyone, WHILE NOT OFFERING compensation/reward for those who had to pay for it is a major kick to the balls?

Quepha2 votes

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Some of us had to pay for it with our hours on end playing the game for years (IP) or pay real money (RP) for runes and runepages. Giving out something that worth for free to everyone, WHILE NOT OFFERING compensation/reward for those who had to pay for it is a major kick to the balls?

No, it isn't. You lose nothing, people aren't even gaining anything that you won't have. Your experience with the game would be, at the very worst, a net neutral while many players would improve and you would probably end up with more people to play with.

Kyrrion4 votes

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No, it isn't. You lose nothing, people aren't even gaining anything that you won't have. Your experience with the game would be, at the very worst, a net neutral while many players would improve and you would probably end up with more people to play with.

I lost the monetary investment I put into my account to give myself a larger scope of options in game.

Quepha1 votes

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I lost the monetary investment I put into my account

That happened a long time ago. Riot changing the price doesn't magically make more money disappear out of your wallet.

Original deficit: 10 dollars Deficit after Riot hypothetically makes runes free: 10 dollars Net change to your life: Zero.

Kyrrion2 votes

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That happened a long time ago. Riot changing the price doesn't magically make more money disappear out of your wallet.

Original deficit: 10 dollars Deficit after Riot hypothetically makes runes free: 10 dollars Net change to your life: Zero.

Your equation is incorrect.

Original deficit: nothing - I trade money for extra rune pages.

I'm out $20.00. Will it matter? Probably not. Does it still suck for me? Yup.

Quepha1 votes

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Your equation is incorrect.

Original deficit: nothing - I trade money for extra rune pages.

I'm out $20.00. Will it matter? Probably not. Does it still suck for me? Yup.

Original inventory: Rune pages and runes, -20 dollars. New inventory: Rune pages and runes, -20 dollars. Net change: Still zero.

You are crying about a hypothetical change that does nothing to you.

DrCyanide1 votes

People lose "the monetary investment" of a champion whenever they get a skin code (or Victorious skin) for a champion they own too. Should every player who owned Sivir last year who placed Gold or higher be refunded 450 IP/260 RP?

I've got 16 rune pages. I've got some of the odd-ball runes that still cost you an arm and a leg. I get the cost factor, I really do. But to say you haven't gotten your use out of them over who knows how many games is just silly. We've had our advantage for however many games using our highly specific runes and pages, now it's time to level the playing field and see what everyone else can come up with as well. Maybe energy regen runes are super broke on some champions and I'll be able to find that out on a free week rotation.

Pierce The Veal3 votes

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People lose "the monetary investment" of a champion whenever they get a skin code (or Victorious skin) for a champion they own too. Should every player who owned Sivir last year who placed Gold or higher be refunded 450 IP/260 RP?

I've got 16 rune pages. I've got some of the odd-ball runes that still cost you an arm and a leg. I get the cost factor, I really do. But to say you haven't gotten your use out of them over who knows how many games is just silly. We've had our advantage for however many games using our highly specific runes and pages, now it's time to level the playing field and see what everyone else can come up with as well. Maybe energy regen runes are super broke on some champions and I'll be able to find that out on a free week rotation.

Except they didn't reobtain a skin the already owned, furthermore, imagine if EVERYONE was given that skin for free later. Sounds fair imo.

Oh yeah, about energy runes. I went and played for hours on end to obtain the ip it took to get them. Haha, good joke rito.

DrCyanide2 votes

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Except they didn't reobtain a skin the already owned, furthermore, imagine if EVERYONE was given that skin for free later. Sounds fair imo.

No, they re-obtained the champion. Everyone who didn't have Sivir before got Sivir, and everyone who had Sivir essentially got her twice. The year before that anyone who didn't have Morgana got Morgana, and those that had her before essentially got her twice.

Pierce The Veal2 votes

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No, they re-obtained the champion. Everyone who didn't have Sivir before got Sivir, and everyone who had Sivir essentially got her twice. The year before that anyone who didn't have Morgana got Morgana, and those that had her before essentially got her twice.

That's a courtesy by Riot. The actual champion isn't being given out. Plus, the ip loss, while present, is overall rather minsicule relative to the loss caused by ALL these runes and runepages. You can't even fill a runepage with proper runes and have it cost 6300 ip, let alone the more expensive runepages that cost up to 24,000 ip. (Not including the runepage itself, of course).

There's a serious differnce between earned goods, and goods given for free. They earned the skin, the champion was a freebie. But trust me, if that champion cost 30,000 ip instead of 450 or even 6300, there would be serious outrage.

Friendly Ram2 votes

Just refund all the ip and itd be golden.

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