Bot lane has no excuse for complaining about getting ganked at level 2 when they have 2 wards to use

PapaGreg21·May 7, 2018·2 votes·1,402 views

Plus they have flash, exhaust, and heal to help them manage any early pressure. If they can't manage to not die to a level 3 jungler with all of those tools at their belt, I don't think it is reasonable to nerf the junglers to as a great long term fix to this problem. Back in my day, we had to actually be careful of overextending in lane as to not leave ourselves vulnerable to a gank until we got vision on their jungler. I guess it's easier to just nerf the jungler's role instead because they're not real people like ADC's.

16 Comments

DysnomiaMay 7, 20185 votes

I was supporting "adcs" that doesn't ward at all. The cancergiving type of players that doesn't even ward if you remind/ping them. Solo que is pure cancer.

EndlessSorcererMay 7, 20182 votes

The type that says "we need wards" after a gank while their trinket has two charges.

Joyous.

PurgëMay 7, 20182 votes

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The type that says "we need wards" after a gank while their trinket has two charges.

Joyous.

it's cause lvl 2 ganks are stupid as fuck and shuold never be a thing , do u think that all those ppl who get ganked lvl 2 are stupid? the natur of lane force u to try to control the wave and fight for levels something u jglers have 0 knowledge about

EndlessSorcererMay 7, 20181 votes

Considering the jungler gank tends to come between 2:40 and 3:10 almost every game, it's rather predictable (and, one could say, expected).

It isn't difficult to drop a ward slightly before you expect the gank to come.

FOR JUSTICEMay 7, 20183 votes

actually a lot of the adc's ive met don't even bother to ward (like seriously, ill see them with a vision score of 3 at 11 mins, so I damn well know they are squatting on 2 charges of yellow for most of the laning phase).

but you also have to remember the enemy also has those tools plus CC of their own, so jungle pressure is just as bad as any other lane tbh.

ValyrianBladeMay 7, 20182 votes

I mean, the nerfs are coming because of top Lane jungle pressure, not bot.

Even then, you should note that the ward cooldown is triple its uptime. That means there's still a gap, even with 2 people in the Lane. Especially when one of the two wards against an early invade.

And that's not even considering they may want to ward the Lane brush... Unlike other lanes where it's a 1v1 and your Lane opponent sacrifices CS if he wants to just hide in brush, supports don't give up anything. Against something like Morgana or Blitzcrank, you almost need to ward the brush in Lane as it's really difficult to dodge their engage if you can't see them casting it and don't have minions to block it.

PapaGreg21May 7, 20181 votes

Top lane has a ward and should be able to get to 3 with no issues if they ward halfway through being 2.
There SHOULD be some gaps or the game would never have any ganks happening. People getting upset are mad about early jungling pressure at level 2-3. That's the only reason junglers are getting nerfed.
Top lane has had such a little influence on the game that most smart junglers don't even bother with it unless they are overextending terrible.

PurgëMay 7, 20181 votes

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Top lane has a ward and should be able to get to 3 with no issues if they ward halfway through being 2.

There SHOULD be some gaps or the game would never have any ganks happening. People getting upset are mad about early jungling pressure at level 2-3. That's the only reason junglers are getting nerfed.

Top lane has had such a little influence on the game that most smart junglers don't even bother with it unless they are overextending terrible.

lvl 2 ganks from the jgler only sneaked after riot did those stupid changes to make carry jglers more viable then tanks resulting in the top laner getting ganked by a full hp lvl 3 jgler with double buff

it's clear that u never played top lane before , top laners need to fight for level 2 and establish lane control now u cant even slow push the lane or try to trade cause the jgler might show in any moment

jglers can legit sit in ur lane for an absured amount of time , a nida failing her gank can still stay in ur lane 2v1 throwing spear at u under ur turret cause she is not punished for doing so

jgl acutly needs even more nerfs so laners can acutly have an interactive laning phase

ValyrianBladeMay 8, 20181 votes

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Top lane has a ward and should be able to get to 3 with no issues if they ward halfway through being 2.

There SHOULD be some gaps or the game would never have any ganks happening. People getting upset are mad about early jungling pressure at level 2-3. That's the only reason junglers are getting nerfed.

Top lane has had such a little influence on the game that most smart junglers don't even bother with it unless they are overextending terrible.

Most smart junglers get that free first kill on top (making sure to get the kill for themself) in order to have more power to bring to camping bot Lane and dueling the enemy jungler.

PapaGreg21May 9, 20181 votes

Most smart top laners use their ward and don't overextend at level 2 so they don't give up an easy first blood. How dumb do we have to assume people in top lane are that they are playing multiple games getting ganked at level 2 and they can't figure out how to solve this issue?