At least when you play Shaco, Elise or Lee Sin you know that they fall off later in the game so you just cope with the aggressive early counter-jungling. Every time I play against a Graves, he attacks me at my second buff with full health and level 3.
Hyperiön1 votesLee Sin doesn't fall out late game if you know how to play him.
Late game, Lee Sin is all about decision making, and if you have bad decision making, he sucks.
PapaGreg211 votesLee Sin is less dominant late game than he is in the early game. I wasn't trying to say he was bad at all later, just that in comparison to his early game, his dominance level goes down.
Hyperiön1 votesOh yeah totally, Lee is a pick comp, so when everyone is consistently grouping, makes him a lot harder to play correctly, which is why I said he is all decision making late game, which a lot of people don't have.
Ralanr1 votesWhen you build crit it's hard to fall off. When you build lethality + %pen it is also hard to fall off.
Luple1 votesSo i think the thing is that he has a major weakness in the sense that he has no cc. Taking a full damage jungler is a giant hit to your team. He can't engage and is basically taking a full damage role, like kha or lee. but the difference is that he can't gank like them. Those champs are early monsters because they can gank pre 6. graves is more a late game champ. he will just win fights if you fight him in his face.