Just lost a game because my own minions blocked me in a triangle at level 3, what the fuck is this?

Yenn·Jun 13, 2018·55 votes·14,839 views

Why the fuck is this mechanic even in the game?

Playing Talon, I Q'd to Katarina as she Shunpo'd to a minion, and landed in the middle of three of my minions. I then could not move, period. The minions were completely blocking me between them and preventing all movement, so the enemy jungle came and killed me while I was essentially rooted for 5-6 seconds, as it took forever to kill one with Talon's slow attack speed.

43 Comments

Z3SleeperJun 13, 201824 votes

That's what you get for ignoring the tutorial's guidance. "Stay behind your minions."

Warlord RhinarkJun 13, 201833 votes

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That's what you get for ignoring the tutorial's guidance. "Stay behind your minions."

Yeah but the tutorial also told me to build item 3075 on Ashe so I'm kinda skeptical to be honest.

TheCodeisCupCakeJun 13, 201817 votes

Tutorial predicted assassin meta

Kurt HyzanJun 13, 20184 votes

https://i.gyazo.com/c8ab5780a98cb96debc69e8a840b4c99.png

BLACK REALM GODJun 14, 20182 votes

[{quoted}](name=Warlord Rhinark,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=eAkPbbgW,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2018-06-13T13:33:30.637+0000)

Yeah but the tutorial also told me to build on so I'm kinda skeptical to be honest.

it works in high elo. trust me. im challenger on 3 other accounts. you just wouldnt know because you've never been that high

[sg-miss-fortune]

NetorareJun 13, 201817 votes

They should just remove minion colission, not all the champs can take PD, i dont care if minion colission is sometimes useful it's just bullshit...

IcyPepperJun 13, 20187 votes

Honestly, they could just add it to boots. Make it a Tier 3 upgrade for all I care.

LordGeovanniJun 13, 20182 votes

THen you would have to give fizz a real passive

Kurt HyzanJun 13, 201812 votes

The worst part is that, in such a situation as op described, you can't even AA. Your champion shakes like it has a seizure, and the enemy can just auto you to death

DanjengJun 14, 20181 votes

I'm the type of player who doesn't take advantage of minion block or afks, but my jungler sees me not attacking and thinks I'm trolling.

I don't even get honored by my enemy because there is no honoring opponents anymore.

IceAYonJun 13, 201810 votes

Minions have been weird in 8.11. It been harder to walk around them when I play Talon.

Warlord RhinarkJun 13, 20189 votes

This is why you take summoner 6

TokogawarufJun 13, 201817 votes

you misspelled Fizz

Rathar DashingJun 13, 20181 votes

Janna "ahem..."

HungryAngry2SPPJun 14, 20182 votes

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you misspelled

BobaFlautistJun 13, 20189 votes

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...and landed in the middle of three of my minions.

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...it took forever to kill one with Talon's slow attack speed.

(Bolding mine)

Please explain.

AstorineJun 13, 20187 votes

This! I just played blitzcrank (still a great match) where i dived, my adc shot from outside the towers range and got a double. However, there was a massive wall of my own minions seiging the tower and i was literally running up and down the line as the tower shot me for a solid 4 second wall that trapped me in there. I finally had to go through a crack in the bottom myself with careful movements to not die as the automatic pathing is horrible. I had to recall from the tower damage i took (like 5 or so shots) and nearly died. If i were a mage support that would have ended me.

Baby sitting ADCJun 13, 20182 votes

Yeah its why people are like "omg why are you not in front of me?" as a mage support and I tell them, "lol you can die first to minion waves then." You know being selective about my engages making double sure minions are a factor in that before I dive.

AstorineJun 14, 20181 votes

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Yeah its why people are like "omg why are you not in front of me?" as a mage support and I tell them, "lol you can die first to minion waves then." You know being selective about my engages making double sure minions are a factor in that before I dive.

This exactly, i also got ? pinged as i struggled just to make it more tilting.

Baby sitting ADCJun 16, 20181 votes

Life as a mage support my friend. [slayer-jinx-unamused]

AstorineJun 17, 20181 votes

Life as a support in general... (cries a tad)

Its All SkillzzJun 13, 20183 votes

Pathing is also horrible, sometimes im being collapsed on an click go to nearest wall so i can E over it an my char just starts taking the long way around things right into enemy, very bad in dragon pit when i click to go near the back wall an my char just starts pathing out of the pit and into the enemy team.

TheCodeisCupCakeJun 13, 20182 votes

I remember walking about to Iron ambassador someone as Poppy (With grasp) thinking taking 1 turrent shot was worth it. My siege minion fucking blocks me and I end up taking 3 shots and harras from the enemy laner. GG WP pathing

LordGeovanniJun 13, 20181 votes

THats litterally ignoring the minions when you use the fact that you have minions to dive why not keep in mind the same time that minions are the size of large children i cant just walk on them they arent ants

TheCodeisCupCakeJun 13, 20181 votes

Yah but when the minions decide to randomly move to the right for no reason, there is not much i can do

LordGeovanniJun 14, 20181 votes

Minions dont move for no reason they move because they have to get in range to do damage and have to go around other minions to do it because they dont forget that minions exist

Mr DallowayJun 13, 20183 votes

Yeah I have noticed that the minions are complete traitors these days. I guess they are rebelling and don't care who they take down.

HungryAngry2SPPJun 14, 20181 votes

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Yeah I have noticed that the minions are complete traitors these days. I guess they are rebelling and don't care who they take down.

Yeeey, we got a kill. -1, but still a kill

UnboundHadesJun 13, 20183 votes

which minions are you talking about because you said your own minions twice then mentioned you got out by killing them

Leto GTJun 13, 20182 votes

I had the same thing when a bliz pulled me in my own wave. Would be best if collision only applied to enemy minions imo.

Always angry tbhJun 13, 20182 votes

That should make minion hitboxes a bit smaller. I think that would solve the problem a bit. Minion colission is still a very useful mechanic that shouldn't just be removed but something surely has to be done. Tired of spazzing around after I dive someone and being forced to waste flash thanks to this.

Rathar DashingJun 13, 20182 votes

in that case the minions would just bunch closer together. They'd still form walls and clusters but they would be slightly smaller.

This would also have the side effect of making them slightly less likely to block skillshots.

Attticus FinchJun 13, 20182 votes

If you lost an entire game off of one misplay at level 3 something tells me you have far bigger issues then minion creep.

Emerald FangJun 14, 20182 votes

So you're saying you lost the game because of one kill... ok

HalcyonDwellerJun 14, 20181 votes

The game is snowbally and Kat is easy to snowball with already. So yeah. That's possible.

KrytoricJun 14, 20182 votes

Not to plug my stream or anything, but i know how you feel. (if you end up watching, watch your ears) But even tho i misplayed HARD cause i auto'd the minion, i had literally one minion stand in my way for 2+ seconds lol.

https://clips.twitch.tv/LitigiousGeniusMochaPeteZaroll

ScyPhan790Jun 15, 20181 votes

Yeah, it feels like there's something wrong more recently. Pathing around minions is just atrocious, like there's more problems with this than there used to be (which basically there weren't any problems before).

SaibboJun 13, 20181 votes

Yeah I always thought they actually "improved" how the minion block worked back in the days ... ...

Unstoppable MonkJun 13, 20181 votes

Another good issue from Yenn. I recommend having a QoL ghostlike buff for 0.5-1.0 seconds after using Talon's Q or E.

SangreDeNocheJun 13, 20181 votes

I made a post about this weeks ago when it became impossible to play urgot. His wide hitbox made it so if minions were behind me they could literally drag me 3-6 units away.

I suggested we change the total block from minions to a huge slow so you could at least get out of it and people made excuses for how that would be "broken" because champions who can hide behind minions (the main example someone gave was Chogath ) could do it "better" than when champs were blocked... somehow? (Naysayers on the boards aren't the most intelligent individuals.)