When you guys decide you overbuffed solo Lulu

TheLittlestLulu·Jan 11, 2017·76 votes·3,712 views

please remember to revert the buff instead of doing something dumb and nerfing solo and support Lulu.

50 Comments

5000000000000000Jan 12, 201724 votes

Nerfs base damage

Athenes LuluJan 12, 20177 votes

Mfw it's Lulu's base damages that makes her solo laning so strong.

Dat KatJan 12, 20172 votes

Get the joke.

chipndip1Jan 12, 20176 votes

Mfw you're downvoted for saying the right answer.

Big LincolnJan 11, 20173 votes

they said they're not going through with the ap ratio buff

Chembaron YamadaJan 12, 20171 votes

Wait, what? Who, where, when and why?

Big LincolnJan 12, 20174 votes

they want to explore different changes that buff support Lulu more than solo Lulu

which I'm glad for because with Lulu's current kit I never want to see her top lane again

The Yetii RiderJan 12, 20173 votes

Honestly if the 35% AS buff on her W wasn't enough to get people to play Lulu in support again I'm not sure what will.

Probably her biggest weakness is her very poor synergy with Windspeaker's Blessing.

Karn BishopJan 12, 20175 votes

Her biggest weakness is that true mage supports just dump hot loads on her, shes still good vs hard core initiators.

TurquoiseYoshiJan 12, 20173 votes

But if the meta is hardcore initiators, then she isn't tanky enough or good enough at engage to really be viable towards the later game.

So she ends up being pretty useless most of the time.

Pierce The VealJan 12, 20174 votes

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But if the meta is hardcore initiators, then she isn't tanky enough or good enough at engage to really be viable towards the later game.

So she ends up being pretty useless most of the time.

We all know this isn't true...

chipndip1Jan 12, 20174 votes

Except it is because this is the same shit people pull with Sona

She isn't tanky enough for the tank support metas
She doesn't have the damage/range against mage supports in this meta
She doesn't have sustain/safety comparable to Janna and Nami for a more defensive meta

"She's just not meta yet, guys. Right now it's one of the three above metas, so that's why she isn't strong." There's an issue when a champion is never in season.

SqueyJan 12, 20171 votes

Her meta is the assassin meta. But right now its a divers meta. She was in meta ayear or 2 ago

chipndip1Jan 12, 20171 votes

Lulu or Sona? If it's Lulu, Lulu ALSO wasn't nerfed to holy shit a year ago, and Janna's just as strong in that meta AND a diver's meta. Just admit that Lulu's been overnerfed and doesn't do shit.

Hell, back in season 5, when Lulu was strong, we had a tank meta, with Cinderhulk. Be honest with yourself.

Tik115Jan 12, 20171 votes

Basically Sona will never be relevant because she was turned into a weaker Nami

Before they reworked her she had that niche, like how they wanted Soraka to be THE Healer support Sonas Auras made her THE Enchanter, the difference be is that Sona would be picked only really if the team had enough damage and CC since after early game she became a flash cresendo bot (Or Annie Flash tibbers but without the bucket loads of damage)

I mean seriously outside of Flash Crescendo and warding did anybody see a support Sona do ANYTHING other then hang back and buff her team?

I miss old Sona...

Pierce The VealJan 14, 20171 votes

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Except it is because this is the same shit people pull with Sona

She isn't tanky enough for the tank support metas

She doesn't have the damage/range against mage supports in this meta

She doesn't have sustain/safety comparable to Janna and Nami for a more defensive meta

"She's just not meta yet, guys. Right now it's one of the three above metas, so that's why she isn't strong." There's an issue when a champion is never in season.

Don't be delusional. Lulu has been in season before, and when she was in season she dominated the pro scene. She's not "never in season" as that's just bullshit.

She doesn't have damage? Bullshit.

She isn't tanky? Maybe not, but she sure makes everyone else fucking tanky, and if she's focused she can ult herself!

No sustain? Well she makes up for it with the sheer poke and other utility she gets. Janna doesn't poke as hard or give as much ms, or give the ability to grant max hp.

People with 50-125 games on her have a 55% winrate and 125+ has a 57.5% winrate! Even then her average winrate is just below 50% (this is support lulu we're talking about)! There are plenty of champions more worthy of being complained about as "always out of season."

chipndip1Jan 14, 20171 votes

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Don't be delusional. Lulu has been in season before, and when she was in season she dominated the pro scene. She's not "never in season" as that's just bullshit.

To keep her from being blatantly op in the pro scene, she was nerfed. In a state where she's not blatantly broken, now she's never used at all. If you're never in season when you're not blatantly op, there's a problem.

She doesn't have damage? Bullshit.

This is why Lulus max R/E/W/Q then, because her Q damage is SO GOOD, RIGHT?

She isn't tanky? Maybe not, but she sure makes everyone else fucking tanky, and if she's focused she can ult herself!

Lulu's main issue is that she doesn't have enough peel or enough damage to do much for more than one person at a time. What she can do is pointless if it doesn't measure up to anything.

No sustain? Well she makes up for it with the sheer poke and other utility she gets. Janna doesn't poke as hard or give as much ms, or give the ability to grant max hp.

She doesn't have good poke or she'd measure up to other poke supports. She can't even deal with Sona, and Sona pokes well in her fighting ranges.

People with 50-125 games on her have a 55% winrate and 125+ has a 57.5% winrate! Even then her average winrate is just below 50% (this is support lulu we're talking about)! There are plenty of champions more worthy of being complained about as "always out of season."

Anyone that mains a champion is going to have around a 55% win rate for most champs in this game, at least. That isn't impressive.

Pierce The VealJan 17, 20171 votes

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To keep her from being blatantly op in the pro scene, she was nerfed. In a state where she's not blatantly broken, now she's never used at all. If you're never in season when you're not blatantly op, there's a problem.

This is why Lulus max R/E/W/Q then, because her Q damage is SO GOOD, RIGHT?

Lulu's main issue is that she doesn't have enough peel or enough damage to do much for more than one person at a time. What she can do is pointless if it doesn't measure up to anything.

She doesn't have good poke or she'd measure up to other poke supports. She can't even deal with Sona, and Sona pokes well in her fighting ranges.

Anyone that mains a champion is going to have around a 55% win rate for most champs in this game, at least. That isn't impressive.

55% is a good point for people with 125+ games. When the 125+ games goes above that it starts becoming questionably strong. With a 4% playrate she's at a respectable power level, and shouldn't be given anything more than QoL buffs.

Baron PerenoldeJan 12, 20171 votes

And she's great supporting said initiators as well!

MarTEEnusJan 12, 20171 votes

I play Lulu supp too frequently these days. She's strong against Supp/Jng divers. Good synergy with Lulu is Jinx for her AS/DPS boost and gives her protect for her W on enemy. When I used W on YI, he was pretty ded :P. 0 opportunity for gangs on bot

Finally I can say to chat, that I've started to play lulu when she wasn't in meta [slayer-jinx-wink]

OelykJan 13, 20171 votes

The attack speed buff is good for saving your carry if everything goes to shit because its a massive MS boost, but generally its always better to nullify a enemy from producing any dps than boosting carry in lane and in late game if they have any threat whatsoever.

Athenes LuluJan 12, 20173 votes

Or instead of trying to be fancy and go "hehe lets fuck up her ADCs by having the first target take full damage, and the rest 70% damage xD!" the only nerf/change that her Q should ever get is a simple "30% reduced damage on lane minions".

aspects1Jan 12, 20173 votes

jungle lulu new meta

Baron PerenoldeJan 12, 20174 votes

It's honestly not that bad.

DepressedAhriJan 12, 20173 votes

There's always one.

Subject 5Jan 12, 20172 votes

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jungle lulu new meta

COUGH COUGH one of my main junglers COUGH COUGH

Glory ln DeathJan 12, 20172 votes

There's always two.

It Hertz When IPJan 12, 20171 votes

As someone who would only play Lulu as support, I love this idea. Let me pelt the enemy with Q without overly pushing the lane!

kwPlIfanTgJan 12, 20173 votes

Lulu just needs a rework at the point

Gameplay and VU wise

They are going to fuck up keeping her current kit viable in both lanes , just like the other 28 times when they made her support worse for the tradeoff of making her solo lane less overbearing

BlåbæretJan 12, 20171 votes

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Lulu just needs a rework at the point

Gameplay and VU wise

They are going to fuck up keeping her current kit viable in both lanes , just like the other 28 times when they made her support worse for the tradeoff of making her solo lane less overbearing

Lulu doesn't need a VU lmao.

chipndip1Jan 12, 20171 votes

All the yordles do now that Riot is trying to give them knees.

Baron PerenoldeJan 13, 20171 votes

As much as I love the champ, Lulu next to Poppy and Trist is just sad. She could benefit greatly from a Tristana-level VU.

MarTEEnusJan 12, 20172 votes

Why rework ? She's not that bad with her kit

AzirUltedMexicoJan 12, 20173 votes

There was truly no reason for those buffs, Lulus in a good place right now and buffing her damage is legit only gonna help her top and mid lane. And as Rito does they'll buff a aspect of her that will be a hit not just o solo lane to support too. My bet, they'll lower the AP ratio on her shield.

ZeranaJan 12, 20171 votes

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There was truly no reason for those buffs, Lulus in a good place right now and buffing her damage is legit only gonna help her top and mid lane. And as Rito does they'll buff a aspect of her that will be a hit not just o solo lane to support too. My bet, they'll lower the AP ratio on her shield.

But ap ratio buffs are totally fair. They separate solo from support using ratios, since ap solo lulu build ap and support does not. The only base damage/support aspect of her that HAS to be high is her E (300-350 max) other than that, they can just gauge the damage on her other abilities to scale hard with ap.

PaladinNOJan 12, 20172 votes

I've pretty much made a living of top lane Lulu, and I'd hate to see her getting any sort of attention, because in her present state, I can keep at it up there.

Though, irritatingly enough, I've recently started to concede, and taken her down to the support role as well. Even done well with her there. It's annoying. :/

HazyCloud7Jan 12, 20172 votes

IIRC I read somewhere yesterday from Meddler that they intend to revert that ratio buff and replace it with something else.

A LiberalJan 12, 20172 votes

Yes, he also said that they are trying to buff support AND solo lulu, just support more than solo. I think they are trying to make solo lulu an off-meta option, like Sona mid or Tahm top

KowanJan 11, 20171 votes

time to go try good ol solo lane lulu!

Kanzaki RankoJan 12, 20171 votes

its going to suck ass as long as the damage reduction on her q exists

AnidanJan 12, 20171 votes

At least it'll suck ass while being fun.

chipndip1Jan 12, 20171 votes

Guess it's fun to suck on that booty?

ChaddyFantomeJan 12, 20171 votes

Just make her Q do less damage to minions instead of doing no damage past the first champ hit.

A little PeepoJan 12, 20171 votes

Honestly the only buff she could use is move her W attack speed to her shield. That would help support lulu and not exactly just buff solo lane.

SkywallkerAJan 12, 20171 votes

Support lulu has gotten stronger overall so... What's wrong?

RakvirJan 12, 20171 votes

She has a history of being considered "too strong" as top (sometimes mid but usually just top), gets nerfed in all the worst ways that carry incredibly poorly over to the support role and makes it needlessly difficult to justify picking her there when she already has an...iffy...time there, situation depending.

SkywallkerAJan 13, 20171 votes

The only time she actually got hit significantly was when they needed her ultimate. That didn't last long did it and currently her kit is stronger for supporting than ever